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    I forgot. Dinner was half of a pink salmon, seasoned and 90 small green olives.

    Tomorrow is actually my transition day - going to night shift and into very low carb - so keeping track will become more critical by then.


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    10:25 AM 6/14/12 Woke up, had a bottle of Kombucha, waited an hour, tested TRACE ketones in urine. Since I'm clearly not in meaningful ketosis, I will test my cardiovascular performance on the cycle.

    I guess this is baseline:
    Wheel tension - medium. (level 6 on machine)
    Duration - 10 minutes
    Pulse - 118 to 123, always within that range.
    Speed of pedaling - Avg. 5.7
    Breathing easy, no perceived effort or labored breathing, no heat or sweat.


    So, in theory, when I do this tomorrow morning (I'm starting very low carb now. Technically, I guess last night's salmon dinner counts as the start.) it should be either more difficult or result in a higher pulse rate?


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    This is addicting. Could you hook up a webcam so I can follow you around?

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    This is addicting. Could you hook up a webcam so I can follow you around?

    Just kidding...if you said no.
    :rofl:

    1 8 oz. can of oysters
    1 pound ground beef
    6 chicken eggs with stinging nettle leaves
    Includes bone broth and tallow
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    Add to that, my usual food before work. Plus, I did a lot of working out today! I did ten for-real clapping chin-ups in one set, then went back for more! So a little protein is in order, and not going to interfere greatly with getting back into ketosis.

    Peed on the stick again. It has shifted ever-so-slightly pinker, up to about the .7 mark. The first test was easily below the .5.

    7.5 ounces of canned sardines in water. I'm a label hound, these are clean aside from BPA. Poor folk can't get away from BPA and still eat, I've discovered...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifegill View Post
    :rofl:

    1 8 oz. can of oysters
    1 pound ground beef
    6 chicken eggs with stinging nettle leaves
    Includes bone broth and tallow
    It's my guess that the quantity of protein that represents would likely keep you of ketosis. There's an interesting discussion by Peter at Hyperlipid. Now he follows Jan Kwasniewski (others who have in the past include Kurt Harris and Matt Stone). Kwasniewski says to keep protein to 1 g per kg of "due" bodymass (considerably less than the 0.7 g per pound of lean bodymass recommended by the Primal Blueprint -- which would still be less than you're getting). And yet Peter, on something like 10% protein and 5% carbohydrate (so 85% fat), says he drifts around on the borders of ketosis rather than being solidly in:

    Hyperlipid: A brief discussion of ketosis

    I heard Jimmy Moore say on his podcast this week that he has had to considerably reduce his protein intake and to go down to only 20 g of carbs a day for his hunger to be totally killed, so that he just doesn't care about or even think of food -- which seems to be a sign of ketosis.

    But obviously everyone's different. It'll be interesting o see how your experiment goes.

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    Very interesting. Subscribed.

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    Interesting thread... Could you also post macronutrient energy daily totals - would be great.

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    Good thread, I've been low carb recently, probably around 70-80g per day. I found the following quotes from the authors of 'The Art and Science of low carb living' interesting, especially the comments about if you get between 50-150g of carbs per day your starving your brain of glucose and ketones, any thoughts on these comments?

    'If you eat a reduced carb diet of less than 150 grams but more than 50 grams, you body does not become Keto-adapted and you are starving your brain of both glucose and ketones. End result – the body converts protein to glucose or - you go on a carb binge.
    If you are Keto-adapted you don’t require post exercise glucose to refill your glycogen stores. “Consuming even small amounts of carbohydrates after exercise rapidly decreases, the release of fatty acids from fat stores and oxidation of fat in the muscle. thereby interfering with keto-adaption, plus also diminishing the beneficial effect of exercise on insulin sensitivity and other cardio-metabolic risk markers.“
    Now there is the key point – post exercise glucose – which has a beneficial effect for those who are NOT Keto-adapted – has a negative effect on those who ARE Keto-adapted.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifegill View Post
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    1 8 oz. can of oysters
    1 pound ground beef
    6 chicken eggs with stinging nettle leaves
    Includes bone broth and tallow
    is this one meal?

    i can put food away, but 6 eggs and a pound of beef would knock me the hell out. damn.

    ...actually, i'm going to try that this weekend.

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