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    Hi Judg, and thanks. Wishing you success too! Whether CFS or adrenals, it's no fun.

    Decent day despite the kitty stress. He is snoozing on the chair next to me, we are sitting out on the porch watching the sun decline, and I am covered in DEET thanks to the mosquitos.

    Housework and two friend visits today (one is an animal whisperer who helped with the cat) and a trip to Costco. Bought organic chicken and grassfed beef, plus a giant bag of blueberries and some english cukes which I love.

    B - BACON! and 1 egg, coffee with cream
    L - chicken thigh with the rest of the baby asparagus
    B - last of the chicken and some more of the bacon
    Snack to be determined.

    The animal whisperer friend really has a problem with carb addiction and wants to change it but doesn't know how. Somehow she just can't stay on a diet to save her life. No wonder - she cuts out fat and adds a ton of raw vegetables that she doesn't really like. Then Ben & Jerry start calling her name, louder and louder. She even started telling me how she loves meat, even the "stuff that's bad for you like steak". I told her about PB and how I never could have gone off the refined carbs without adding lots of good fat. She's interested - I'm going to keep telling her how it's going for me and see if I can get her to check out this site. Wish me luck!
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    Lost another pound - yay!
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    Yay!
    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

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    Didn't post food yesterday but did well other than eating one pierogi - delicious and I am not beating myself up about it either. But now that I think about it, I have been extra-hungry and tired today and went on a minor hummus binge so maybe it's the flour even in such a small quantity. Dunno.

    B - 1 egg, BACON, sauteed cabbage and onions, coffee with cream
    L - Aforementioned hummus (about 4-5T), falafel chips
    S - cashew butter, the last slice of BACON
    D - 2 chicken thighs (didn't feel like anything else but I have some sliced cukes to nibble on)
    +8c water with sea salt and a little stevia

    I have now lost 10 lbs in 5 weeks, 5 of them in the last 2 weeks. Clothes are getting loose and a couple of tops are just falling off me now. Nice to lose weight around the middle and not just extremities. My goal is to lose 25 more.

    I've really been trying to get to sleep earlier and wake up earlier - the last 2 days I've waked up on my own at 6:45 which is good. I just have to master the going to sleep part. I am going to get off the computer by 8pm to give some wind-down time and try taking a short walk. I need some good bedtime reading, done using an old-fashioned book and not something with a lit screen!
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    Judg, I'm just curious because of my own history - has adrenal function ever been tested on you? I know how much CFS sucks. I hope you have a treatment plan that is working well for you.
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    Can I ask what you are doing to recover from the adrenal fatigue and how you went about being diagnosed? I am 29yo, but am scoring very high on the online tests I've found and have 12 of 18 symptoms from one site. Trying to get things in order but don't have a ton of money to bounce around between doctors and take a lot of expensive medications. And specific diet changes that have helped beyond giving up grains? Thanks!

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    No, quite honestly I hadn't even heard of adrenal fatigue until recently. The symptoms of CFS so perfectly match mine, it never occurred to me to ask more questions, other than what can I do to alleviate them? I suppose I should look into it.

    And congratulations on your progress! Fun, isn't it?
    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

    More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teach2183 View Post
    Can I ask what you are doing to recover from the adrenal fatigue and how you went about being diagnosed? ...And specific diet changes that have helped beyond giving up grains? Thanks!
    Hi teach2183, I was very lucky in finding a naturopathic MD who has a lot of experience in this area. The diagnosis was through a 24-hour salivary test of cortisol and other hormones and a bunch of blood tests. If you search online for Selye Adrenal Stress Index, you'll find a set of graphs that show the variations in the normal curve of cortisol production as a person's adrenals get more stressed over time. I was at Stage V where the adrenals are basically not producing much cortisol at all, with a consequent severe loss of energy plus other symptoms. (Wish I knew what that curve had looked like 10-15 years ago!) My original concern was the BP spikes and cardiac symptoms - apparently failing adrenals will pump out tons of adrenaline in response to minor stress like being stuck in traffic, sort of a last gasp effort to function. This then shoots BP and heart rate up. In my case because I was having mini-strokes (no lasting disability) I was pretty worried.

    The treatment is all nutrition and hormones, no meds per se. The single biggest diet change that has helped me is I EAT A LOT OF FAT. LOTS. (My daily calorie intake is only about 1000 as my activity level is so low.) Coconut oil, nut butter, some whole fat dairy but not a lot, oily fish, and of course meats. I don't know that I'll keep that up forever, but at this point it feels subjectively like it is helping. It definitely made it possible for me to cut out the carbs, as I have always loved anything sweet. I never thought I would just cold turkey stop eating them except for very small amounts of berries. But if I ate this much fat with carbs, I would definitely have gained 10 lbs instead of losing them. Interestingly, I am not hungry all the time; I am supposed to eat something every three hours so my meals are small. The biggest other change is that I stopped trying push my body to exercise. It needs to recover the ability to produce energy first (which is what cortisol does). I get 8 hours of sleep. I lie down and rest if I need to during the day for 15-30 minutes (I work from home). Lying flat is rest, sitting in a chair is not. My diet is almost entirely organic and the animal products are all organic/grassfed/pastured. I have one cup of coffee in the morning and drink water the rest of the day, with a pinch of celtic salt and a few drops of stevia.

    Hope that's helpful and not too much information. I have had symptoms of adrenal stress since my teens, and I really wish I'd found out decades ago what I've learned over the past month. Your younger age is on your side (I'm 54) and I hope you can find someone in your area who can help, although I think the salivary cortisol test can be ordered online. Good luck and let me know if I can help.
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    Thanks Judg! Yes it is fun - I do weigh myself every day and I look forward to it. That's an amazing feeling. You've had some substantial results yourself. Are you able to do any kind of exercise or is it all the WoE that's working for you?
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    I do try to do some walking. But hubby works from home all summer and keeping up with him (he is an Energizer bunny and wants to see family frequently) means I don't always have the energy.

    I lost 3/4 of the weight I wanted to lose before going primal, but it had slowed to a crawl. It has sped up a little since going primal. I went primal for health reasons, not weight loss reasons, because I was doing pretty well there on my own.
    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

    More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
    - Lewis Mumford

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