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    Fucking women, how do they work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    Well, you see, Chaco can screw up his own metabolism but it's okay because he's healthy because he can lift super heavy weights. Plus he can laugh at a pizza right to its face. Invincible.
    My metabolism is fine. Remember my deadlifts that sucked 2 weeks ago? I just set a new PR today, 6X310 lbs. 2 weeks ago I could only pull 300 lbs 5 times. Amazing recovery thanks to an incredibly robust and healthy metabolism.

    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    Way back when I weighed 108lbs I was healthy too because I was beautiful. It didn't matter that I was messing up my metabolism with extreme calorie restriction because I was sexy and blond and looked good in a bikini and every guy wanted to get to know me. Everything was okay for me back then until one day it wasn't. Now I was fat, and hard on the eyes and obviously not healthy because I couldn't get guys to look at me. I couldn't lift any super heavy weights, either, by the way. Not that anybody would give a rip about it if I could. Nobody cares how healthy the shot putter on the girl's varsity track team is.

    You see, under Man logic, lifting really super heavy weights is an objective measure of health (unless your the girl shot putter, of course) and not one of socialization like being easy on the eyes. Man logic says that Man stuff is real and all that girly stuff is "in your head".

    Put another way: Big muscles are as normal and natural as dieting yourself to fit an ideal of female beauty. It's the same exact goddam thing. Men are not meant to be all puffed up like that. That's the man version of what most women do to themselves in their teens.
    You're mixing in so much emotion you're totally missing the logic. We eat the SAD and live the American lifestyle, which is the perfect storm for disease.

    Grains are the largest contributor of calories.

    We chronically overeat. Every. Day.

    Healthy animal-based fats have been nearly completely removed in lieu of chemically-extracted, rancid seed oils.

    The media worships unrealistic (airbrushed and fake) body images that promote eating disorders to achieve.

    We're taught the EXACT WRONG WAY to exercise - chronic cardio and light weight bullshit which does nothing but promote injury.

    We never see the sun and are trapped indoors all day long. On the rare occasion we do go outside, we slather ourselves in chemicals to prevent burning.

    Our animal meat is stripped of nutrition because they are raised in inhuman circumstances and fed disgusting grain and seed byproducts, candy and parts of other decomposed animals.

    We get no sleep.

    We sit all day long.

    We are constantly stressed from artificial stressors - money, work, relationship/marital issues, traffic, family problems, etc.

    Practically everyone is on some kind of nasty, toxic medication.

    And even with ALL THIS HORRIBLE SHIT - the worst plagues that humanity has EVER had set upon them tenfold - it takes DECADES to ruin our metabolism.

    Are you SERIOUS? Even in the PERFECT STORM it takes decades before it starts catching up to us? Look, I feel bad for you that you lived a terrible lifestyle. I'm sorry that you spent decades doing the worst possible things imaginable to your body, but you have to realize that this is a testament to how incredibly resilient the human body is. Even in the face of the most horrible lifestyle imaginable, it took decades to run you down - which you were able to correct in mere months.

    Like I said, the human metabolism is an amazingly strong, resilient thing that is incredibly hard to damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaohinon View Post
    Fucking women, how do they work?
    Non-stop until they drop from exhaustion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    If that is true, it's probably because of the "smaller scale" effect of a woman's body. A man has a greater percentage of lean body mass and a smaller percentage of fat mass, along with an overall (significantly) greater body mass. That, to me, means a male body can take more "punishment" than a female body simply because it takes a larger amount of a toxin to damage a larger body. By that logic, I'm probably more susceptible to problems than someone 6" taller than me. If you look around, shorter people tend to be more overweight than taller people, and it's probably because the larger you are, the harder it is to overeat. A small woman with a TDEE of 1500 kcal could probably consistently overeat much more easily than a large man with a TDEE of 3000 kcal. There are SO MANY hidden calories in the SAD with all the added sugars and oils that the smaller you are, the more prone you're going to be to these things. Overeating 150 calories a day for a tall man is not going to be nearly as big of a deal as it would be to a short woman.

    At least that's my reasoning. I don't think it has anything to do with some advantage men have. Men are just less prone to weight gain and have to store up a lot more toxins to get sick. If anything, women have a health advantage over men because they CONSISTENTLY live longer. If you actually look at the data, men are more susceptible to premature death than women are.
    Nope. It's not muslce mass. It's hormones. It's menstruation - that's why I specified premenopausal women. There is a delicate balance between hormones in a woman's body to keep things "ticking". A women's LH can decrease drastically after only 4 days at a deficit - regardless of the deficit(200 calories or 1000 calories). And the severity of said drop depends on the woman and her endocrine senstivity. And that's only one of the many hormones that can be effected. Estrogen can drop. Progesterone can drop. Mensturation can cease. None of those things are good and can lead to metabolic damage. That has nothing to do with muscle. It has to do with dieting. Whether you are eating primal or SAD, a deficit is a deficit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDF View Post
    Nope. It's not muslce mass. It's hormones. It's menstruation - that's why I specified premenopausal women. There is a delicate balance between hormones in a woman's body to keep things "ticking". A women's LH can decrease drastically after only 4 days at a deficit - regardless of the deficit(200 calories or 1000 calories). And the severity of said drop depends on the woman and her endocrine senstivity. And that's only one of the many hormones that can be effected. Estrogen can drop. Progesterone can drop. Mensturation can cease. None of those things are good and can lead to metabolic damage. That has nothing to do with muscle. It has to do with dieting. Whether you are eating primal or SAD, a deficit is a deficit.
    Outside of the past few hundred years, food has been scarce throughout all of human existence. By that logic, nearly all women have been metabolically deranged for literally millions of years. That's a ridiculous assessment IMO. Caloric binges and huge deficits were a regular part of life since forever. Stable caloric intake is a modern invention. There was no food storage outside of modern times. It was commonplace to gorge on every calorie you could while you could because you never knew when your next meal would come from. And again, females have shown themselves to be more resistant to premature death than men. None of this makes any sense and I refuse to believe a single word of that, Nadia. It all sounds like excuses to me and a defensive statement to attempt to justify why the average woman won't ever look like a swimsuit model on a magazine cover. And that's fine, because most men actually don't care for that fake, airbrushed look. Women care more about what they look like than any man does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    None of this makes any sense and I refuse to believe a single word of that...
    I think you should change your signature to this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Outside of the past few hundred years, food has been scarce throughout all of human existence. By that logic, nearly all women have been metabolically deranged for literally millions of years. That's a ridiculous assessment IMO. Caloric binges and huge deficits were a regular part of life since forever. Stable caloric intake is a modern invention. There was no food storage outside of modern times. It was commonplace to gorge on every calorie you could while you could because you never knew when your next meal would come from. And again, females have shown themselves to be more resistant to premature death than men. None of this makes any sense and I refuse to believe a single word of that, Nadia. It all sounds like excuses to me and a defensive statement to attempt to justify why the average woman won't ever look like a swimsuit model on a magazine cover. And that's fine, because most men actually don't care for that fake, airbrushed look. Women care more about what they look like than any man does.

    I wish my body could reject the truth as easily as you just did.I dug into the research myself after being diagnoised with hypothalamic amenorrhea. It's real. I may have lost the ability to have children, that's how real hormonal and metabolic damage due to under eating is for me. Even going primal didn't fix that.

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    I grew up pre-HFCS and with a stay at home mom who cooked from scratch. I played outside like any other kid. I ran, climbed trees, investigated the sewers, roller-skated and rode my bike everywhere. At age 5 it was go outside and play and don't come back until dinner time. And I was a frickin' girl for chrissakes. I roamed free from age 5. I also was a kid back when there was only ONE fat kid in the whole school. It wasn't me.

    Anyway, keep up your good work, Chaco. You're gonna wake up from it some day. I saw your pictures. You're all puffy and swollen from doing unnatural stuff to your body. You brag about your metabolic giftedness but you are gonna wake up from your dream state all broken just like us women if you keep up the illusion that you can just tweak a little bit more to get the body comp you desire. Nobody cares about how much you can lift. You sound just like me when I stepped on the scale and lost another pound. Everything is working perfect because I lost another pound. Got it all under control. What you are doing isn't natural.
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    I grew up pre-HFCS and with a stay at home mom who cooked from scratch. I played outside like any other kid. I ran, climbed trees, investigated the sewers, roller-skated and rode my bike everywhere. At age 5 it was go outside and play and don't come back until dinner time. And I was a frickin' girl for chrissakes. I roamed free from age 5. I also was a kid back when there was only ONE fat kid in the whole school. It wasn't me.

    Anyway, keep up your good work, Chaco. You're gonna wake up from it some day. I saw your pictures. You're all puffy and swollen from doing unnatural stuff to your body. You brag about your metabolic giftedness but you are gonna wake up from your dream state all broken just like us women if you keep up the illusion that you can just tweak a little bit more to get the body comp you desire. Nobody cares about how much you can lift. You sound just like me when I stepped on the scale and lost another pound. Everything is working perfect because I lost another pound. Got it all under control. What you are doing isn't natural.
    I think you have no concept of what I'm even doing. What am I doing that's unnatural exactly?

    Is eating real food and lifting heavy weights unnatural? Funny, it's the foundation of the Primal Blueprint. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of the "paleo thing" that it's natural and actually what human beings are supposed to do? Who knows, maybe I'm doing it wrong by sticking to this "paleo thing" and one day I'll wake up and "get it." Or, maybe you'll wake up one day and stop taking the anger you have for yourself from decades of improper lifestyle choices and projecting it on others who haven't suffered what you've gone through. Maybe you're right and I'm doing it wrong. Or maybe you resent others' successes. Either way, I have no regrets, I feel great, my bloodwork is awesome and I'm in the best shape of my life. If you can say that about yourself too, maybe we're both doing it right. I truly hope that's the case because I want nothing more than for you to be happy and healthy.
    Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 06-11-2012 at 07:49 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Yes, I have not eaten enough over the past few months, so my lifts has suffered. However, my definition of "suffering" is a 143 lb guy with a 305 deadlift for reps and a 225 lb benchpress for reps. My lifts were going through the roof and cutting cals too hard stalled them. Compared to the gains I was making before, the stalls were evident and the fat loss plateaued. A lot of that writing is for dramatic effect and me just pouring my inner thoughts "on paper," if you will. I have zero issues with insulin, fasting, no energy/sugar crashes, I have rock solid blood glucose, etc. M dramatic writings on a "crushed metabolism" is from going from monster gains to a plateau. I think anyone in the world with REAL metabolic issues would gladly trade for my condition. Simply upping cals for a few days immediately fixed all my problems. My lifts have already recovered 100% and I'm gaining, which is a testament to how strong the human metabolism really is and how quickly the body recovers.
    Understood, thanks. VERY solid numbers, btw.

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