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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent girl View Post
    I've read other places, including on Nora G's site/book that carbs late in the day can cause sugar levels to (?drop) in the middle of the night, causing awakenings. Does that have any credibility with anyone here willing to speak up?
    My night wakings have nothing to do with my evening carbs and everything to do with a bladder the size of a peanut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    I think that many women find it works best to put the carbs at dinner or at least the 2nd half of the day. A high protein breakfast helps with leptin sensitivity and seems to make it easier not to snack and graze all day. Carbs later in the day help you sleep and help with insulin sensitivity. At least some women report these things.

    This article I read today was pretty interesting.
    Paleo For Women | Carbohydrates for Fertility and Health
    True in my case as well and I am a woman!

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    There was a study I linked to a while back and those that ate their carbs in the evening showed better weight loss and by avoiding carbs during the day found it easier to stick to the controlled calories they were on.
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    All my carbs, are P.M. because I skip breakfast. But seem to be somewhat averaged out over lunch and dinner and sometimes a snack mid afternoon. If I have a mid-afternoon snack, that is the bulk of my carbs cuz it is usually greek yogurt w/banana. On the occasion that I have a sweet potato, it is a small amount at dinner time w/DH. Then I can see if I can afford it in my carb count at the end of the day. I dont eat after dinner.

    If I were to have carbs for breakfast, I would be hungry in a couple of hours. I guess I should pay attention and experiment with few to none for lunch and see how it goes. I go to sleep just fine, but I awake to getting too hot but can usually go back to sleep.

    I see more carbs in my future though, when watermelon and cantaloupe are ready in the garden. I am hoping Grok really liked both.

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    There have been at least a couple studies that have suggested advantage towards biasing food/carbohydrate consumption toward later in the day with respect to body composition. While I'm not certain of the actual mechanism(insulin sensitivity may play a role), there seems to be at least a bit of evidence to back up the idea that a lighter(in terms of both carbs and overall size) breakfast and lunch combined with a heavier dinner have a slight advantage - and some might argue in favor of taking this a step further to actual IF.

    For me, my carbs tend to be biased towards the evening, simply because on workout days(when my carb intake is heavier out of necessity), my workout is after work - typically somewhere between 6 and 8 PM, and my post-workout meal containing most of my carbs follows shortly thereafter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Your body burns dietary fat before it burns stored body fat. If you are eating less carbs, you're filling the space with more fat so you just have more fat to burn through before you tap into stores. It doesn't matter if you eat fat or carbs in terms of weight loss, it comes down to the energy deficit. Eating 1,200 calories of carbs will take you out of "fat burning mode", but if that's all you eat all day you're going to burn more fat than if you ate 1,800 calories of butter and steak assuming similar protein intake.

    Listen to your body and give it what it wants. If you're having a carb craving, your brain probably wants glucose. If you don't want carbs, don't eat them. I prefer to eat my carbier meal at my last meal of the day because carbs help you sleep. I'd rather have the bottom of the blood sugar curve fall around bedtime than while I'm working.
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    I thought you just said in an earlier thread that you ate "too low" of calories and wrecked your metabolism and that you put on all the weight you lost when you went back to eating "normal". Isnt' the acknowledgement of a wrecked metabolism an acknowledgement of the flaw in an overly simple CICO approach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go-Pre View Post
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    I thought you just said in an earlier thread that you ate "too low" of calories and wrecked your metabolism and that you put on all the weight you lost when you went back to eating "normal". Isnt' the acknowledgement of a wrecked metabolism an acknowledgement of the flaw in an overly simple CICO approach?

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    No. My metabolism is fine. I did eat too low calories for awhile so my weight loss was in my muscles, not my fat. My lifts were suffering. My deadlift dropped about 15 lbs, my benchpress dropped 10 lbs and my recovery was poor. Simply upping my calories for 2 weeks fixed all this. My deadlift and benchpress have already fully recovered. CICO is pretty absolute because CICO only takes into account weight - it doesn't differentiate between fat and muscle, so too great of a deficit tends to preserve fat and remove muscle while smaller deficits tend to promote fat loss and preserve muscle. At least that's my experience. None of these things hinge on a "wrecked metabolism." It's incredibly difficult to "wreck your metabolism" and a -25% caloric deficit for a few weeks or months isn't going to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    CICO is pretty absolute because CICO only takes into account weight - it doesn't differentiate between fat and muscle, so too great of a deficit tends to preserve fat and remove muscle while smaller deficits tend to promote fat loss and preserve muscle. At least that's my experience. None of these things hinge on a "wrecked metabolism." It's incredibly difficult to "wreck your metabolism" and a -25% caloric deficit for a few weeks or months isn't going to do that.
    spot on, as usual. i think people on paleo message forums round the net seem to use this 'wrecked metabolism'/'metabolically deranged' concept way, way too much, until it becomes a crutch to support whatever bizarre theory makes them think calories don't matter. if you're alive, and you're not pathologically ill with major endocrine dysfunction, your metabolism works just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    I think that many women find it works best to put the carbs at dinner or at least the 2nd half of the day. A high protein breakfast helps with leptin sensitivity and seems to make it easier not to snack and graze all day. Carbs later in the day help you sleep and help with insulin sensitivity. At least some women report these things.

    This article I read today was pretty interesting.
    Paleo For Women | Carbohydrates for Fertility and Health
    this is what works for me too. Carbs early in the day mean I am more prone to snack the afternoon. I eat in an 8-9 hour window. My 1st meal is usually around 11AM-12PM and I make it high protein & high fat. I eat a load of veggies late afternoon and then have a high protein dinner with veggies and 1/2 a sweet potato or yam in some form. If I feel like a treat I have a banana or a few squares of dark chocolate around 8 PM. Go to bed at 9:30/ 10PM and am dead to the world until the sun comes up. Works well for me.

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    Nice to see so much common sense on this thread.

    Thanks for posting that article sbhikes - it certainly rings true for me. The Paleo for Women site looks a great resource.
    F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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