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    Vegetarian Myth and it's Lies?

    Heya

    I know old topic, I just found the book and went to look up the author, Lierre Keith. There is as much out there about how she is Lieing, crazy, idiotic etc.... as there is about her being courageous for speaking the truth.

    My question is what is it she is lieing about? I am reading the book, she seems earnest and what she says seems right to me but I don't know enough. Is the book inaccurate on certain topics? She comes very close to certain cherished points of opinion of mine and I am looking for ways to critique what I am reading.

    Please don't use this as an excuse to bash The vegheads, I would like better understand the issue not just get angry at them for being idiots.
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    It's definitely worth reading. I don't think she was particularly lying about anything, the book just contains some fundamental errors like most published books do. I haven't read it for a while but I remember the nutrition and environmental sections had errors. You definitely don't doubt her passion. It shouldn't be held up as some kind of bible that debunks vegetarianism nor should it be thrown into the book burning mobile like most vegans think it should. I think the accusations of lying were regarding about being a fully fledged vegan. I remember in an interview she said something about how she binged on eggs and dairy a lot.

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    I don't think vegetarianism or even veganism is idiotic in the scheme of things. If my choice was to:
    Be a vegetarian, eating beans, veggies, fruits, dairy, eggs, grains or
    Be a fake food CW person eating Chicken Lean Cuisines and fat free sugar free yogurt or
    SAD with all the crap donalds, pizza rolls and mountain dews I could shovel in

    I'd call the vegetarian option healthier, and even the vegan option healthier. Most vegetarians and vegans who do it for health reasons eat good, whole foods and are close to primal- they just don't eat the meats.

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    Melissa at Hunt Gather Love had a fairly scathing review and she is on the paleo side of things. Her beef is mostly about the belief she shares with Derrick Jensen about the evils of civilization and with her political ideas at the end of her book. She tends to get pretty passionate and say things that may or may not be true. I personally didn't agree with Melissa's opinion, but here you go:
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    Melissa at Hunt Gather Love had a fairly scathing review and she is on the paleo side of things. Her beef is mostly about the belief she shares with Derrick Jensen about the evils of civilization and with her political ideas at the end of her book. She tends to get pretty passionate and say things that may or may not be true. I personally didn't agree with Melissa's opinion, but here you go:
    Deep Green Insanity | Melissa McEwen's on food anthropology, economics, and culture
    I just read her post. I haven't (unfortunatly) gotten around to reading Derrick Jensens books but i know the general debat and have a philosophical and archaeological interest in it. Where do you stand in this?
    I found Melissas 'argumentation' against their views annoying and completely lacking. Not once does she provide good quantitative proof of what she says. She simply shrugs off everything they say as if its pure lunacy or stems from an abusive childhood.
    Imo the case against civilization seems to be pretty well founded in archaeological data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleSavage View Post
    I just read her post. I haven't (unfortunatly) gotten around to reading Derrick Jensens books but i know the general debat and have a philosophical and archaeological interest in it. Where do you stand in this?
    I found Melissas 'argumentation' against their views annoying and completely lacking. Not once does she provide good quantitative proof of what she says. She simply shrugs off everything they say as if its pure lunacy or stems from an abusive childhood.
    Imo the case against civilization seems to be pretty well founded in archaeological data.
    I read her post too. She dismisses Jensen's and Kieth's critiques of civilization w/o really examining them. While I don't agree with everything they say I think their critique of civilization is valid. I found it annoying that Melissa used the term anarchy (as in; descend into anarchy) when chaos or disorder would have been more accurate.

    From what I understand Lierre Keith isn't doing public appearances because she got a pie filled with pepper oil thrown in her face by angry vegans, not because she's on a terrorist watch list.

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    Wow just wow. Ok thanks Sbhikes.
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    I'm not familiar with this book or what it's about but if you're interested in learning more about the effects food has on our bodies I encourage you to check out the movie "Forks Over Knives" and "Eating". They can both be found on Amazon. The facts and information contained in these films could save your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otter View Post
    I'm not familiar with this book or what it's about but if you're interested in learning more about the effects food has on our bodies I encourage you to check out the movie "Forks Over Knives" and "Eating". They can both be found on Amazon. The facts and information contained in these films could save your life.
    I know I'm feeding an obvious troll, but the only thing Forks over Knives will save you is the deliciousness of and vitality caused by eating delicious fatty meat.

    Not as familiar with eating, but if it's based on the China Study, like so many of the claims found in Forks over Knives, you will be able to see through the lies by reading this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    I know I'm feeding an obvious troll, but the only thing Forks over Knives will save you is the deliciousness of and vitality caused by eating delicious fatty meat.

    Lol, yes you are. I'm telling ya I see one or two every day here lately. Junior members, signed on that day to post.
    Primal/Paleo is not for everyone, it's for those who have committed to understand.
    READ THE BOOK! ...as Robb Wolf says: "Trying to convince people to save their own ass will burn you out."

    Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for -- the pure enjoyment of food. Anthony Bourdain

    and yes, calories DO count my little piggies

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