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    I'd have no problem with this move if the current nutritional CW was not so horribly destructive, nay, designed to get everyone fat and sick. Next move might well be be to tax butter off the open market.

    For example HFCS should be taxed to oblivion from our foods like the harmful chemical byproduct it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spubba View Post
    What kills me is how loud the contraceptive-banning, pornography-policing, abortion-clinic-picketing, church-going busybody sodomy-law-enforcing nanny staters scream when their oversize soda sippy cups get taken away.
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    That's STUPID.

    Really. Where will they stop? What makes them the food experts? Sure, they are bad for you, but they think saturated fat is bad for you too.

    So at this point, some say it's fine to ban. But one day, the bulldozer will come to your tree. Then what will you do, since you were in favor of the sugar drink food ban?

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    So here is an interesting tidbit on subsidies: other countries that subsidize actually allow the savings to trickle down to consumers. When I was in Russia, milk (good quality milk!), bread (far less processed and chemicalized!), vegetables and BOOKS were all subsidized to the point that a quart of milk for the final consumer was about $.50, a loaf of bread about $.35, veggies varied but were comparably as cheap. Books were subsidized heavily to promote reading and education. ALL books. My friend found a beautiful glossy page Lord of the Rings book fully illustrated in color for about $4.00 regular price. This was like, collector's edition shit that would have been at least $200 here. So this was a country that could see the whole point of a subsidy: to better take care of poor citizens that would otherwise starve -- NOT to take care of a corporation to make sure that they could make billions in profit. Call it socialism if you like, but at least it trickled down to benefit actual people.

    But back to the foods: if we are forced to have subsidies at all, why aren't the consumers here seeing any benefit from it? If this HFCS is subsidized so heavily as to make a gallon of soda really worth about $.001 cents, a loaf of bread is the same cost, why are American consumers paying out the ass to provide such high profits for the corporations? Why isn't the government choosing healthier foods to subsidize if they "care" so much about consumer health?? Gaahhhhhh...subsidize vegetables and pastured meat already.

    And I get that Russia's government is completely different from ours and that Americans would not trade our govt for theirs for anything on the planet, but this is just a major example of American politic BS I think that has gone horribly wrong and been twisted into something sick in our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Man is Truth View Post
    haha kenn I know a lot of girls who look like that pictured one, and who nurture identical double-think sentiment in exactly the same way.
    I know she's pretty, but why should someone's attractiveness matter either way when it comes to a political opinion? *is confused* Or are we going to let this country backslide into acid-throwing territory like the Taliban?

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    Wait, wait, I get it

    It goes both ways, you know.

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    Nowherein the bible does it say that Mountain Dew in 32 ounce portions is an abomination. Most of the "moral" BS is related to the bible and their interpretation of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spubba View Post
    I know she's pretty, but why should someone's attractiveness matter either way when it comes to a political opinion? *is confused* Or are we going to let this country backslide into acid-throwing territory like the Taliban?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apple View Post
    So here is an interesting tidbit on subsidies: other countries that subsidize actually allow the savings to trickle down to consumers. When I was in Russia, milk (good quality milk!), bread (far less processed and chemicalized!), vegetables and BOOKS were all subsidized to the point that a quart of milk for the final consumer was about $.50, a loaf of bread about $.35, veggies varied but were comparably as cheap. Books were subsidized heavily to promote reading and education. ALL books. My friend found a beautiful glossy page Lord of the Rings book fully illustrated in color for about $4.00 regular price. This was like, collector's edition shit that would have been at least $200 here. So this was a country that could see the whole point of a subsidy: to better take care of poor citizens that would otherwise starve -- NOT to take care of a corporation to make sure that they could make billions in profit. Call it socialism if you like, but at least it trickled down to benefit actual people.

    But back to the foods: if we are forced to have subsidies at all, why aren't the consumers here seeing any benefit from it? If this HFCS is subsidized so heavily as to make a gallon of soda really worth about $.001 cents, a loaf of bread is the same cost, why are American consumers paying out the ass to provide such high profits for the corporations? Why isn't the government choosing healthier foods to subsidize if they "care" so much about consumer health?? Gaahhhhhh...subsidize vegetables and pastured meat already.

    And I get that Russia's government is completely different from ours and that Americans would not trade our govt for theirs for anything on the planet, but this is just a major example of American politic BS I think that has gone horribly wrong and been twisted into something sick in our country.



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    Oh my goodness you have a lot to learn about freedom and economics.

    I don't want to spend too much time on this, but let me give you some pointers.

    First, all subsidies do reach the consumer. It is impossible for you to know what the price of anything should be. The only thing you as an individual should be concerned about is if something is worth the price in your opinion. The people who run the companies don't pocket all the subsidies, they would be destroyed by competition if they tried to do that. They only way they could get away with that would be to use government to eliminate all their competition.

    Secondly, there is no such thing as a good government subsidy. All government interventions in the free market cause distortions and are bad.

    The reason why government isn't choosing healthy foods to subsidize is because government is not here to take care of you, government exists to benefit those in government.

    Russia's government is no different than America's government. They are both corrupt, stupid and evil and easily bribed.

    Government is nothing more than violence, and the less of it you have, the better off you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spubba View Post
    What kills me is how loud the contraceptive-banning, pornography-policing, abortion-clinic-picketing, church-going busybody sodomy-law-enforcing nanny staters scream when their oversize soda sippy cups get taken away.
    What, are you locked into some kind of two party Democratic-Republican statist paradigm?

    The way I see it, you have the statists (Democratic and Republican parties) who want to police you, and then you have the Libertarians who just want to leave you alone.

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