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    Once again they are going after the wrong side of the equation. Unlimited cheap soda is only possible due to cheap high fructose corn syrup, which is only possible due to governmental support and subsidies (sp?) for an industrialized agriculture system. We're eating what the corporations/government support. If we want to change the system we've got to start at the supply side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn View Post

    Yeah, that doesn't make much sense there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Bill View Post
    Liberals are the dumbest people on the planet. And this is just another example why.
    You seem like a real independent thinker yourself there.
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    Libertarians do not believe in laws that violate your personal right to do what you want to your body....period. You cannot pick and choose. Example below:

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    Bloomberg had some really great mayoral moments during his first 2 legitimate terms, but with this weird shady third term he snuck in, he's really ruining his legacy. Banning the trans-fats in restaurants in NYC, that I was ok with, even though I'd rarely to never eat fried foods anyway, but this soda cap seems pointless and just a cheap way for him to grab some headlines for being a mayor who really cares about the common folk while he's shuttling between NYC and his weekend home in the bahamas.
    You cannot pick and choose.....You have freedom, or you don't. You can't only have the stuff YOU are against banned, and assume that someone else with opposing views will not trample on YOUR right to choose.

    You guys want the sodas limited in size? What about people who sell raw milk? You think that shouldn't be banned because why? It's not the same thing? It's not bad for you? Who gets to decide what's good or bad for you? For me? I have a small raw goat milk dairy, and if I get caught selling that milk to ANYONE, trust me, they come to your place with guns and they kill your animals, and you are lucky if you don't get shot yourself. How about alcohol? Some nice wine on the weekend? How is that different from other substances? How far will we go in our crusade to save people from themselves, and when do we draw the line?

    I have a simple solution. Basic libertarian principle: Freedom and Responsibility. You have the freedom to use whatever you want on your property or on anyone else's property that gives permission. If you mess yourself up, you are responsible to take care of your own mess. Don't expect anyone to pay for your mess. Works for pretty much any situation.

    Sorry, Bestbetter, that was totally not a rant on you, just thought it would be a good basic example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tech_hunter View Post
    Libertarians do not believe in laws that violate your personal right to do what you want to your body....period. You cannot pick and choose. Example below:



    You cannot pick and choose.....You have freedom, or you don't. You can't only have the stuff YOU are against banned, and assume that someone else with opposing views will not trample on YOUR right to choose.

    You guys want the sodas limited in size? What about people who sell raw milk? You think that shouldn't be banned because why? It's not the same thing? It's not bad for you? Who gets to decide what's good or bad for you? For me? I have a small raw goat milk dairy, and if I get caught selling that milk to ANYONE, trust me, they come to your place with guns and they kill your animals, and you are lucky if you don't get shot yourself. How about alcohol? Some nice wine on the weekend? How is that different from other substances? How far will we go in our crusade to save people from themselves, and when do we draw the line?

    I have a simple solution. Basic libertarian principle: Freedom and Responsibility. You have the freedom to use whatever you want on your property or on anyone else's property that gives permission. If you mess yourself up, you are responsible to take care of your own mess. Don't expect anyone to pay for your mess. Works for pretty much any situation.
    That's what I believe. I wish raw milk wasn't illegal, it's wonderful! If we took the warning labels off of everything, everything would sort itself out. I don't understand how people complain that they were burnt by hot coffee when that is what they bought. And come on, an actual hot stove? Who's that crazy to actually own a hot stove; it's not like they are used for cooking or anything. The Government doesn't always aim at helping people, but to gain more control over us. "Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither," - Benjamin Franklin. We don't want to educate ourselves. Laziness is rewarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call Me Twitchy View Post
    That's what I believe. I wish raw milk wasn't illegal, it's wonderful! If we took the warning labels off of everything, everything would sort itself out. I don't understand how people complain that they were burnt by hot coffee when that is what they bought. And come on, an actual hot stove? Who's that crazy to actually own a hot stove; it's not like they are used for cooking or anything. The Government doesn't always aim at helping people, but to gain more control over us. "Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither," - Benjamin Franklin. We don't want to educate ourselves. Laziness is rewarded.
    I've always read it as this.... "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"


    I would just as soon see corn subsidies go away so the artificially low price of HFCS would no longer keep the price of soda too low.

    I'm not a fan of food bans. But some of what we are talking about isn't actually food - transfats, HFCS, etc.
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    They will then argue that those foods and how cheaply they are made are what have allowed civilization to prosper. I prefer the verbage in that one, btw. Then of course the safety measures of milk and stuff. The issue? Small, individual farms rarely if ever had issues with raw milk, it wasn't until they started mass producing it in such unsanitary facilities which then spawned the issues with bacteria and germs in the milk. So they had to pasteurize it in order to kill the bacteria. Is the issue individual farming? Nope. Mass production. I should be able to get raw milk, eggs, cheeses, and whatever from someone. If there is disease in it, well, that's the risk I am taking and I won't sue the farmer.

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    What kills me is how loud the contraceptive-banning, pornography-policing, abortion-clinic-picketing, church-going busybody sodomy-law-enforcing nanny staters scream when their oversize soda sippy cups get taken away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Call Me Twitchy View Post
    Yeah, that doesn't make much sense there...
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