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    Five-year-olds treated for depression and anxiety

    Children as young as five are being referred for treatment for depression and anxiety, the BBC has found.

    Figures showed mental health teams in Sussex are working with more than 1,000 under-18s while in the Solent 324 young people were referred for therapy. ...
    BBC News - Five-year-olds treated for depression and anxiety

    To be sure we have difficult social situations. And, what's not mentioned here, large factors such as the collapse of religious belief (I'm not making a religious point here -- I'm not a religious person -- but a sociological one) and almost a de-culturation of people.

    However, psychological and sociological explanations are one thing. One question that is not even raised in the article is: "What are these children eating?"

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    At that point, it's not just what were the children eating, it's what were the mothers eating while pregnant? It always disheartens me to see children, especially young children, on medications. Considering the brain continues to develop into adulthood, and the brains of 5 and 6 year olds are barely developed, medications severly alter the course of development. Essentially, if you give prescriptions to a 5 or 6 year old for any length of time beyond a few days, the likelihood they'll have to be treated for such things well into their adult life increases dramatically.

    CW for food, and CW for emotions/psychology need to change dramatically to see any improvement. Popping pills does not make the problem go away. It stunts your growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtphoenix View Post
    At that point, it's not just what were the children eating, it's what were the mothers eating while pregnant?
    Yes, maybe that, too.

    I suppose another aspect is the way doctors see the patient's problems. So currently they see a child as "depressed" and hence:

    Prescriptions for Fluoxetine, more commonly known as Prozac, have risen 26% in Oxfordshire and 13% in Berkshire from April to September last year.
    But I learnt something pretty horrifying from Sean Croxton's podcast today. He was interviewing a professor of psychiatry, who said that doctors used to characterize people as "anxious". Now apparently about the time the patents on anti-anxiety medications began to run out, the pharmaceutical companies switched to selling patented anti-depressants and managed to convince doctors that patients were, in fact, "depressed". (And, in fact, as the patents on anti-depressants run out, doctors are now being conned into "seeing" bipolar disorder instead.) This professor says that doctors are the most intensively advertised at people in the world -- the ad budgets of pharmaceutical companies dwarf what's spent by someone like Apple on advertising something like the iPhone and Apple's ads are aimed at millions of people, not a subset of the population. However, doctors believe themselves to be wise and rational and scientific and simply don't understand that they're being manipulated. Here's the link. (But I must start a new thread on this podcast it's so astonishingly informative even by Sean's normal high standards.)

    Pharmageddon How Big Pharma Hijacked Healthcare 05/30 by Underground Wellness | Blog Talk Radio

    The situation would seem to be that SSRIs are not going to help these children. SSRIs are a marketing exercise with almost no real science behind them. In fact, there's a darn good chance they'll harm the kids. But in any case, are the children "depressed" or "anxious" or should they be characterized in some other way? Are they disturbed because of difficult social situations? (In some cases, doubtless -- the BBC throws in the story of the child lowering the toy out of the window.) Is their brain chemistry disrupted by bad diets or environmental pollutants?

    But whatever the nature of their disturbance and whatever its cause or causes, SSRIs are not going to help, and maybe that's the real story here ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    ... But in any case, are the children "depressed" or "anxious" or should they be characterized in some other way? Are they disturbed because of difficult social situations? (In some cases, doubtless -- the BBC throws in the story of the child lowering the toy out of the window.)
    the only thing disturbing about that anecdote was an adult allowing a "disturbed" child near a drop off like that. the kid's behavior seems experimental and playful rather than disturbed, based off of the information we have. in fact, i didn't see any evidence that kids are any more disturbed. maybe i missed something, but it seemed like kids were having issues and adults and doctors were quick to jump on labels and drugs instead of looking in the home to see if some changes in dynamics would "fix" whatever problems the kids were experiencing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse View Post
    ... in fact, i didn't see any evidence that kids are any more disturbed. maybe i missed something, but it seemed like kids were having issues and adults and doctors were quick to jump on labels and drugs instead of looking in the home to see if some changes in dynamics would "fix" whatever problems the kids were experiencing.
    All that seems entirely possible.

    In fact, I begin to wonder who fed the BBC the story.

    Children as young as five are being referred for treatment for depression and anxiety, the BBC has found.
    "Has found". I guess what that actually means is someone told them that, tipped them off. What was that someone's purpose? I hope the purpose wasn't to create the impression that children are "depressed", when as you say it may be more a case of their "having issues". I can certainly imagine pharmaceutical companies seeing children as a potential new market.

    I guess most people start Paleo/Primal to lose weight or get more healthy. But look into it long enough and one thing one learns is not merely about this or that food to eat, which I guess is what people first opening a book on Paleo expect, but the extent to which we're all being manipulated all the time. That goes for food, cleaning products, and even prescription medicine.

    It starts with adverts with tigers and "honey monsters" pushing sugar-laden 'breakfast cereal" at you before you can walk and goes on from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post

    "Has found". I guess what that actually means is someone told them that, tipped them off. What was that someone's purpose? I hope the purpose wasn't to create the impression that children are "depressed", when as you say it may be more a case of their "having issues". I can certainly imagine pharmaceutical companies seeing children as a potential new market.
    "having issues" could be anything from stress in the family, inappropriate parenting or standards, even unaddressed abuse. it's irresponsible if psychiatrists are dosing kids up with drugs instead of finding workable family solutions. if there's truly a problem with the child, the entire family should be in therapy together long before any mention of drugs comes in to the picture.

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    I was just thinking, we've only been eating altered, unnatural food for a few generations, so maybe this is the long term effects starting to appear after 3 generations of bad eating. I definitely think food is the main culprit, as well as things like vitamin D deficiency.

    It's all very depressing, and I'm so glad I found this way of life while my daughter was still a baby.

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    wow. how terrible

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    WTH??

    Having developed a deep-seated fear of leaving his mother he has been seeing child behaviour experts since he was 18 months old.

    "The anxieties, I think started probably very soon after he was born," said child psychologist Jo Russell.
    WHAT?? they're surprised that an 18 month old had anxiety about leaving his mother?? am i missing something here?

    Child psychologist Jo Russell said difficulties within the family can cause stress in children
    no shit.

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