Do You Think You Can Get Fat Eating Primally? page 10

[sbhikes]

Gods unborn son is obviously not a middle-aged woman.

[StackingPlates]

Gods unborn son,

You avoided my question, please answer...

...I especially liked how you explain that insulin spikes are bad but animal meats are "Primal" and okay all within a single sentence. Enlighten me if you would, how does the body get the ingested amino acids from the meat and into the cells, skeletal muscle, organs, etc?

Also, please stop saying "read the science". The burden of proof is on you to provide the science you speak of if you are making a point...also, you are all of the place. First saying that insulin spikes will make you fat and then in the next post saying CHOs won't make you fat...you are making my head spin.

[Gods unborn son]

sbhikes: nope, but the science has been tested on middle aged women.

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StackingPlates: No I am not going to explain the insulin SPIKE problem (where to much carbs inhibits the function to store glycogen and hence it is turned into fat to be stored). I am talking about insulin SPIKE problems and not a normal level of insulin, doing all the hormonal transportation stuff you mention. For reference, please see pages 68 ff in the primal blueprint and pale solution page 50 ff. Some science: http://bja.oxfordjournals.org/content/85/1/69.full

And no I am not going to provide you with the science or explain everything. It is there for you to read SHOULD you be interested in the actual facts. Start with http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/w...rate-diets.pdf (meta-analysis of thirteen investigations). I do not understand what you mean with CHO.

Out.

[js290]

Yeah, you can really tell the under 25 yos from the tone. I don't miss being that stupid and arrogant, but it was nice to briefly know everything and have all the answers.

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[StackingPlates]

StackingPlates: No I am not going to explain the insulin SPIKE problem (where to much carbs inhibits the function to store glycogen and hence it is turned into fat to be stored). I am talking about insulin SPIKE problems and not a normal level of insulin, doing all the hormonal transportation stuff you mention.

When you provide links to research papers in an attempt to support your stance, you really should try to understand what you are citing. You do realize that insulin spikes are beneficial, normal, and contribute to overall satiety, right? Or perhaps you are confusing insulin spikes with chronically elevated levels in the blood (chronic hyperglycemia).

Do you also realize that certain PRO food sources "spike" insulin greater than CHOs such as bread and rice? CHO is shorthand for carbohydrate. Please explain why you recommend eating PRO sources such as "primal" cuts of meat but not CHOs? I'm genuinely interested...

[Leida]

sbhikes: nope, but the science has been tested on middle aged women.

The article you quote is a short-term study of overweight women. Read "Why Women Need Fat", and that would be a researched book that shows that women tend to naturally trend to becoming heavier and heavier as they age, and they are healthiest when they are in the slightly over-weight category, not 'normal weight', not 'underweight', but slightly overweight by the means of the already far too bias towards fat BMI (see Asian folks clamoring for changing the range downwards for Asian group), and therefore that's what Mother Nature would push them to be if they eat all natural diet. Slightly overweight. Hence, if you are a woman past 30, and you eat natural diet without calorie restrictions, and you are not overweight, you will most likely gain weight from fat (not muscle) to become slightly overweight. Because that's natural and evolutionary coded in.

[Leida]

As for the individuals in this thread gaining weight, as I understand it is not fat but rather muscles (since you all get stronger) that you have gained. Further, have you all been giving the primal eating a sincere effort (i.e. a year or two, not giving into the urges for other foods to much)? N.B. that I base this only on the replies.

1 year, sincere efforts, full-scale lifting program, HIT and sprints. No muscle gain, no significant strength gains, steady fat gain over the first 6 months, had to restrict calories and do a complicated dietary regimen to lose extra fat gained. Look through this forums, and you will see plenty of stories like that for the womenfolk, doing it all by the book and either not losing fat or gaining fat.

[sbhikes]

If it's not possible to get fat on a low carb primal diet, what's the deal with Jimmy Moore?

I'm personally not willing to try to disprove any theories anybody has that you can't get fat eating primally, but I know deep in the deepest recesses of my brain that I could very easily do it. Heck, I gain and lose a couple of the same pounds over and over all the time. Also, I just got back from a 4 day backpack trip of 89 miles and was 2lbs heavier.

[magnolia1973]

I think its possible to get fat, but its harder to overeat primal foods. However, for some women who have slower metabolisms, you can get fat if you eat too much primal foods. Everyone needs different amounts of foods. It stands to reason that if your body needs less fuel, its easier for you to get fat than the guy who needs a lot of fuel.

Hell, you know what- its easier for me to watch my calories and enjoy some sugar and carbs on occasion than to eat as much fat as I want.

[Paleobird]

1 year, sincere efforts, full-scale lifting program, HIT and sprints. No muscle gain, no significant strength gains, steady fat gain over the first 6 months, had to restrict calories and do a complicated dietary regimen to lose extra fat gained. Look through this forums, and you will see plenty of stories like that for the womenfolk, doing it all by the book and either not losing fat or gaining fat.

Yep. And you will see plenty of the young dude bros telling them how they are doing it all wrong. Gods unborn son sounds a lot like a lot of the comments I got on my calorie counting thread. Just give it time, listen to your body, you're gaining muscle so that's why the scale isn't moving the right direction. Yeahright. I was firming up a lot of muscle but not stacking pounds of it on.

I decided to stop eating my bacon and waiting for something magical to happen. I'm glad you did too.