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    First, read this: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...28Attempt-2%29


    Once you've read that, come back and read the rest of my response.


    I'll bet that the LDL was calculated, not directly measured, in all three cases. Labs are lazy like that. But when trigs are under 100, the equation they use doesn't work correctly. Let's try the Iranian equation, instead, which works better with low trigs:


    (Total/1.19) + (Trig/1.9) - (HDL/1.1) - 38 = LDL


    Before statins:

    (277/1.19) + (107/1.9) - (53/1.1) - 38 =

    234 + 56 - 48 - 38 = 204


    So your LDL before statins was actually a little higher than their calculated score.


    After statins:

    (195/1.19) + (58/1.9) - (55/1.1) - 38 =

    164 + 31 - 50 - 38 = 107


    They miscalculated your LDL there. It's about 22 points lower than they said.


    Off statins, on Primal:

    (355/1.19) + (77/1.9) - (72/1.1) - 38 =

    298 + 41 - 65 + 38 = 236


    Again, they miscalculated your LDL. It's about 33 points lower than they said.


    So, your cholesterol ratios:


    Before statins:

    Total/HDL: 277/53 or 5.22 (ideal = 5 or below)

    Trig/HDL: 107/53 or 2.02 (ideal = 2 or below)

    LDL/HDL: 204/53 or 3.85 (ideal = 4.3 or below)


    After statins:

    Total/HDL: 195/55 or 3.5 (ideal = 5 or below)

    Trig/HDL: 58/55 or 1.05 (ideal = 2 or below)

    LDL/HDL: 107/55 or 1.95 (ideal = 4.3 or below)


    Off statins, on Primal:

    Total/HDL: 355/72 or 4.93 (ideal = 5 or below)

    Trig/HDL: 77/72 or 1.06 (ideal = 2 or below

    LDL/HDL: 236/72 or 3.27 (ideal = 4.3 or below)


    In all cases, your ratios are still within the ideal range. And your total/HDL ratio indicates large, fluffy LDL particles. See if your results have something about "LDL subfractionation" - if yours is over 26.8, your pattern is Pattern A (you want that). And it should be.
    Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

    Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


    Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

    My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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    Damnit, Griff. I love your cholesterol posts. Every time I read one I get a chill up my spine because I'm watching a superhero in action.


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    @MichaelA

    Sorry, missed your post before I started mine.

    The only direct sugar I have comes from 90% chocolate that I have occasionally and sometimes a little maple syrup in a shake (once a week max). I do have a few blueberries too (say 15-20, 4/5 times a week), with some greek yoghurt. Other than that, no sugar or other fruits.

    I eat fairly large amounts of saturated fats (butter and heavy cream) and mono oils (olive and coconut), plus lots of red meat.

    The exercise I do is Dr Greg McGuff's Body By Science - very intense weights, very short, once a week. No cardio. I changed to this exercise regime when I went primal. Prior to that I did a lot more interval training (2x / week), plus much more cardio (though I wouldn't go as far as to call it 'chronic&#39.


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    @griff

    Many thanks for that. It's gonna take me a little while to get through the thread, but thanks for taking the time and I like your numbers much better!

    Unfortunately, no 'LDL subfractionation' (very lazy here in the UK), just Trig, HDL, LDL (calc) and HDL / total ratio.


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