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[canio6]

I know in the UK they ended foxhunting- I feel like they have FAR more power over there than here. If they tried to start pushing congress to end foxhunting in the US, the NRA would knock them on their asses.

They ended foxhunting in the UK because it was almost exclusively a sport for the rich and well to do (basically the only ones who get to own guns anyway). Given the way the royals have been leaning lately, outlawing this was not nearly as difficult as it sounds.

As for vegans and vegetarians, as long as they don't preach to me, I will give them the same courtesy.

PETA has no moral high ground given they murder the vast majority of animals in their shelters. I love animals so much I euthanize 90+% of them.

[jammies]

They ended foxhunting in the UK because it was almost exclusively a sport for the rich and well to do (basically the only ones who get to own guns anyway). Given the way the royals have been leaning lately, outlawing this was not nearly as difficult as it sounds.

As for vegans and vegetarians, as long as they don't preach to me, I will give them the same courtesy.

PETA has no moral high ground given they murder the vast majority of animals in their shelters. I love animals so much I euthanize 90+% of them.

Foxhunting has nothing to do with meat consumption. It is terrorizing an animal for hours for sport. I have no problem with it being banned.

[Paleobird]

Foxhunting has nothing to do with meat consumption. It is terrorizing an animal for hours for sport. I have no problem with it being banned.

Exactly. It is pointless cruelty.

[canio6]

Foxhunting has nothing to do with meat consumption. It is terrorizing an animal for hours for sport. I have no problem with it being banned.

Me either. That was my point (though poorly stated I am sure). Since it was merely a fun passtime for the privleged it really served no purpose. I was trying to say that it is completely different from the hunting in the US that the NRA supports. Magnolia said that the NRA would oppose such a ban here, but I disagree as the NRA and hunter's rights groups do not support killing things just for the sake of it (at least to the best of my knowledge). Sorry if that was not clear.

[justyouraveragecavemen]

I like to hunt coyotes, but I don't chase them around for hours on a horse. I didn't know I was such a low-life...I'll have to update my mood for this morning.

[billp]

They ended foxhunting in the UK because it was almost exclusively a sport for the rich and well to do (basically the only ones who get to own guns anyway). Given the way the royals have been leaning lately, outlawing this was not nearly as difficult as it sounds.

I don't know where you've been, but foxhunting is very much alive in England and with hunts never bigger. Might be technically illegal but is impossible to enforce. I think there have been all of two prosecutions since the ban, and even various young royals are seen openly foxhunting. Who can say at the end of a hunt if the fox was shot or torn apart by dogs notionally used for "tracking"? And it is certainly not a sport only for the very rich. What it is is a sport for country people or all backgrounds, who follow the hunt either on horseback, on foot or by car even. You are repeating propaganda.

[canio6]

I don't know where you've been, but foxhunting is very much alive in England and with hunts never bigger. Might be technically illegal but is impossible to enforce. I think there have been all of two prosecutions since the ban, and even various young royals are seen openly foxhunting. Who can say at the end of a hunt if the fox was shot or torn apart by dogs notionally used for "tracking"?

I've been in America for a while (a long while) so much of my information is second hand. Oh well, not the first time I have been mistaken. Luckily politicians/celebrities never flaunt the law here. Really, they are a bastion of morality, lawfullness, and good conduct. It seems not much is different in the old country.

[billp]

I like to hunt coyotes, but I don't chase them around for hours on a horse. I didn't know I was such a low-life...I'll have to update my mood for this morning.

People chase on horseback with dogs because it is huge fun. The dogs love it and the horses go completely mental with excitement. People get so caught up with fox hunting it takes over their lives. That's very different from hiding in shrubbery shooting at coyotes responding to a distressed animal noise. No that there is anything wrong with that, but it is a totally different type of activity - stealth hunting instead of chasing. I think with mankind's history as a very large game hunter across Eurasia, probably the fox hunting style is more primal. You can eat foxes if you want to anyway, but normally the dogs get it first.

[magnolia1973]

Umm...I have foxhunted and at least in the US, it usually ends with the fox going to ground (up a tree or whatnot), not being killed. If you have a problem with foxhunting... maybe think about being a vegetarian as the fox has it pretty well compared to beef cattle, chickens and pork.

Of course people hunt for the sake of the kill.... how many people eat what they catch? Some do, but a lot don't. The perception that foxhunting is a bunch of rich people terrorizing a fox is pretty wrong. Hunting on horseback is a bit limited to the affluent in the US due to the expense of owning a horse, but most hunts are very welcoming to anyone interested to at least learn or follow on foot.

I would hope that people would have a more open mind about foxhunting... if anything its another resource for land preservation in the US.

[canio6]

Of course people hunt for the sake of the kill.... how many people eat what they catch?

Every hunter I know? I lived in the rural south for 15+ years with a ton of hunters, they all eat what they catch/kill. Now I live in the rural SW. Same deal. It makes the newspaper here (and the person is prosecuted) for just killing animals for shits and grins (on the rare occasions it occurs).

I base my responses on my life experiences. I have not done an indepth study of hunting etc. But seriously, around here if you suggested not eating what you hunted people would probably think you are nuts or smack you in the mouth. (not you specifically, but you being the person saying it)

Edit: here for example you have to go and pay for a tag to hunt. It entitles you to shoot X number of animals (usually one). Other tags (elk for example) have a lottery. A buddy of mine was in the lottery 6 years before he pulled a tag. A tag which allowed him to go out and try to shoot one. You don't waste that on an animal you do not intend to eat.

Oh, and to be fair (now my brain is waking up), yes there are some hunts that are not for food...mountain lion for example. However, they give out very, very few tags and only if there is an over adundance which would cause damage to the ecosystem. So yes, I suppose that would fit the foxhunting/land preservation idea you are talking about. But even then they are so rarely given out and so difficult to find that just going out and hunting one for sport is counter productive and unlikely to happen due to your chances of actually getting pulled for a tag/the equipment (mules) required.

Edit again ( I really need more coffee):

Umm...I have foxhunted and at least in the US, it usually ends with the fox going to ground (up a tree or whatnot), not being killed.

I guess this is a matter of semantics/perception. I would not call chasing a fox a hunt. It is a chase. You could set a dog loose and chase it. Same deal. I specifically think of a hunt as going out to kill something. My own thinking tripping me up there. So my apologies.