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    In all the Paleo/primal documentation, we almost never limits for fat intake in the diet.


    I know Grok preferred fatty meat and organs, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't lucky enough to have whole cans of coconut milk!


    I guess I'm writing this to make sure I'm not doing anything bad when having my regular coconut milk based curry, smoothie or all my meals bathing in some kind of fat.


    Any ways too much fat could be bad for digestion for example. Also good to note, I'm actually trying to gain weight, and I'm keeping my carb intake to about 70g/day because I want to stay out of Ketosis while also trying to get rid of candida problems.


    Anybody out there ever had an all-fat day? I guess there is no point really in having just fat, without any protein in a day, not even for semi-fasting purposes, but I might miss something here.


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    No such thing as too much fat. I regularly eat about 75% of my daily calories as fat (and the rest as protein, with trace carbs). No side effects here.


    Carbs are the enemy. Fat is GOOD for you.

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    I tend to agree with you Griff.


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    With fat is there "too much of a good thing?" Given that we're still getting enough protein, and trace minerals and vitamins can we just eat as much fat as we want?


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    Griff,


    How do you consume so much fat- like what do you eat? I know you've had great success and I'm just curious. I'd like to jump start my fat burning mode a bit more.....


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    lifewithjades: Start by buying high-fat meats. I never get ground beef that has less than 20% fat and try to get 70/30 if possible. Make sure you actually *eat* the fat, too. Don't pour it off or avoid it.


    I also add coconut oil to most curries and other dishes I make, and butter, and I eat six to eight eggs in a day most days. (In fact, my latest dozen hard-boiled eggs are sitting in the pan in the sink right now, in cold water and ice, cooling off. I'm planning on making Fat Devils tonight!) Eggs are a great source of dietary fat. Other sources include avocados, olives, and (cold) olive oil.


    lcme: If your diet is largely fat, as mine is, you will lose at a slow but steady rate. I've been dropping about eight to ten pounds a month since my initial loss slowed down in mid-October (before that, I dropped 40 pounds in two months). And I regularly eat 70-80% of my calories as fat. Even if you eat that way, you won't gain - Dr. Eades talks about this at length in one of his blog posts - and if you need to lose, you'll lose (slowly) until your body reaches homeostasis. Take a look here at his response to Keith Cumpston: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-and-ketosis/metabolism-and-ketosis/


    The other thing is that the body has a natural upper limit for ingestion of fat and protein. Your body will shut off the appetite when it's had enough fat and/or protein. It doesn't work that way with carbs - carbs can be eaten until the physical limitations of the stomach are reached and you'll still feel an appetite. So saying "can we just eat as much fat as we want" does have the underlying understanding that you're listening to your body and not eating more once your appetite is satisfied. If you do that, you'll find that "as much fat as you want" is really not that much food. It can't be; your body won't let you ingest that much. This is why we often see people on paleo/primal/low-carb diets seeing their intake of calories dropping below 2000 per day, and yet no hunger, while people on low-fat/low-calorie diets which are largely carbs are constantly starving on the same 1500-1800 calories per day. Fat is a satiatior. So is protein. Carbs, on the other hand... not so much.

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    Griff speaks wisdom, as always. He also beat me to this post by a minute and a half, so please excuse the redundancy


    I haven't counted my calories since starting the PB so this is hardly scientific. Now I approach protein and fat the way I used to approach carbs: when hungry, I stuff myself until I can eat no more. The difference is that with carbs, I could literally burst my intestines this way. With fats and proteins, I fill up faster and can't eat another bite. The body has a solid upper limit on its ability to take up fat, unlike carbs.


    There have been many days when I've gorged on fat and protein only to see my weight drop and my stomach flatten the next morning. After eating poorly all these years, I figure my body has a yawning nutrient deficit in all tissues which will take months to correct, using plenty more calories than CW considers appropriate.


    So when it comes to fat, as long as you're keeping carbs minimized, I say if you're still hungry, keep eating!


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    I was just wondering if it was "too much of a good thing" in another sense other than weight loss. I'm actually a skinny fat so I'm looking more for weight composition transition than weight loss. PB is definitely what my body needed.


    I guess I was thinking more long term than weight loss but I think that I know the answer to my own question. I think that because fat is so satiating that there can't really be "too much" in the traditional sense. As long as there is enough protein and trace minerals and vitamins then I think that a high fat diet is a healthy one.


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    Good point, Icme. My own main goal was to lose body fat, so I tend to focus on that result. But at the same time, I have put on tons of muscle -- I'm hardly wasting away. So I think that wherever you are on the skinny-fat continuum, eating more fat will take you closer to your inner-Grok, apex-predator ideal composition.


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    Oh I realized after reading your whole reply that you had actually addressed the satiety issue. Wise as ever Griff!


    Out of interest, is it the impression of Dr. Eades that if a person eats high fat they will eventually reach that homeostatic state? I ask this because I know that I have lost some weight, a large portion that is likely water, but I don't want to go too low.


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    Dr. Eades does caution against eating too many calories simply because if you want to lose more weight and your body has decided it's at homeostasis, you won't lose - but you won't gain, either. And when you're eating PB/LC, you aren't eating as many calories because of the satiety factor. If you're continuing to provide the body with what it needs (fat and protein) it will probably continue to readjust its composition, as well, although that is my unsupported hypothesis based on what I've been observing over time in myself and other PBers and LCers. You might want to read his blog and his books, too - I've linked to one of them up above.

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