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    Do you and your daughter ever run into conflicts over diet? Vegetarian and Paleo are both considered "radical" diets. You guys must get into it!
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    Well, paleo's just vegetarian with a side of meat:-):-):-)

    I get to eat all my vegetarian son's food, and he can eat all mine without the meat:-) I get the better deal, I think.

    He actually thinks it's important I eat meat. I can go to vegan / vegetarian restaurants and eat well on vegetable soups, salads, and such, and then eat meat the next meal:-) He, however, has a harder time when vegetarian choices are few. He, also, doesn't eat grains or soy. Kind of fun. Now, if I weren't so fat, I be a much better ad for paleo / primal. But I am definitely strong. Weight hasn't dropped much this year, but I'm 8.5 inches less that I know of. Weird.

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    Do you and your daughter ever run into conflicts over diet? Vegetarian and Paleo are both considered "radical" diets. You guys must get into it!

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    No, we're respectful of each other. She's doing it mainly because of an ethical stance over the treatment of animals, which I get, and knows that I'm doing primal for health reasons, which she also respects. This is also a family full of deeply held and diverse religious opinions, and we have a lot of experience in learning how to get along. We just generally avoid contentious issues and look for the common ground. With our own kids, the issues can sometimes be discussed, if we are all in dispassionate, objective mode. If not, I pull the matriarchal weight and shut down the discussion, unless the patriarch is involved, in which case I leave the room until it's over. If the kids are having fun with it, they'll continue and call me when they're done; if not, they get the message and back off.
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    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopisheep View Post
    Well, paleo's just vegetarian with a side of meat:-):-):-)

    I get to eat all my vegetarian son's food, and he can eat all mine without the meat:-) I get the better deal, I think.

    He actually thinks it's important I eat meat. I can go to vegan / vegetarian restaurants and eat well on vegetable soups, salads, and such, and then eat meat the next meal:-) He, however, has a harder time when vegetarian choices are few. He, also, doesn't eat grains or soy. Kind of fun. Now, if I weren't so fat, I be a much better ad for paleo / primal. But I am definitely strong. Weight hasn't dropped much this year, but I'm 8.5 inches less that I know of. Weird.
    Ah, then you're losing fat in favour of muscle. Not a bad thing at all. I would cheerfully make that exchange; I'm getting tired of flab. I notice that when my weight drops more quickly, I get jigglier. I wish I could make more progress with the exercise, but the mangled shoulders and chronic fatigue make it pretty well impossible to make any major pushes. I would have liked to do the 21 day challenge, targetting fitness, but I just don't see how I can do it. I'll just have to continue with my cautious, incremental approach.
    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judg View Post
    Ah, then you're losing fat in favour of muscle. Not a bad thing at all. I would cheerfully make that exchange; I'm getting tired of flab. I notice that when my weight drops more quickly, I get jigglier. I wish I could make more progress with the exercise, but the mangled shoulders and chronic fatigue make it pretty well impossible to make any major pushes. I would have liked to do the 21 day challenge, targetting fitness, but I just don't see how I can do it. I'll just have to continue with my cautious, incremental approach.
    I'd say what you're doing is working quite well for you so no reason to change at this point. You're weight is steadily dropping and it seems you have a slight upswing in your energy and stamina levels. What I find is that as long as I keep moving I have more energy to keep moving. Make sense? If I walk or bike daily, then its much easier to walk or bike daily. But if I take a week off......... eeesh, those first couple days are a killer! Even on the days that I don't feel like walking......... I'm better in the long run if I push through it and at least walk a little. Even just 10 or 15 minutes. Even though I've been primal for a year now - and the majority of the fibro pain is gone - I still have the fatigue to deal with. There are times when the thought of going to the grocery store is like telling my muscles and bones its time to do a 10k! Every step is like dragging my legs through mud! But if I don't push through it - then EVERYDAY becomes a fight in the mud pit. So, on my down days I try to remember that I will be better tomorrow ONLY if I push through it. NOT overdo it........ but just gently and tenderly push through it. Then when the wave a fatigue passes I can get back to doing more of a full output. I hope this making sense. Yesterday I was feeling really good and strong - so I pushed myself to walk an entire hour! I was doing about a 20 minute mile, so I'm estimating I walked 3 miles. Today I can feel it in every muscle! But I also feel ready to do it again. Its taken a year to build up to this kind of stamina. Now mind you......... in a few days I may be facing that mud pit again and will be forced to dial it back. But I know now that I need to move at some level every single day so the momentum continues going forward.

    So I'm curious what you have found with the CF side of things.........
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    Chronic fatigue is a bit different. Pushing past your limits is the worst thing to do. Pushing just up to them is good. It's a fine line. And I often blow it. Yesterday I went for a 2k walk when I was tired at the outset. It might have been a bit much, but on the other hand, I never felt obliged to turn around and go home. I always listen to muscular fatigue. If it's hard to lift my feet, NO EXERCISE ALLOWED. I've learned from bitter experience that there is a high price to pay, for days or even weeks afterwards.

    If I haven't got enough emotional energy to get myself out the door for a slow, short stroll, that's a pretty good sign I shouldn't be doing it anyway.

    It's frustrating, feeling so limited, especially since for most people, pushing your limits is the way to increase stamina, but we don't play by the same rules. Dr. Myhill outlined the reasons for that, at the intracellular level. Basically, an important chemical in the energy exchange gets flushed from your system when you overdo it, and it takes the body a good two weeks of rest to replenish it. Longer if you don't rest enough. I can testify that this is precisely what happens to me. I think I overdid it yesterday, but hopefully not that much. A little tired today.
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    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

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    CFS sounds like a really rough road to travel. You have managed to lose an incredible amount of weight though. Does that lessen the effects of CFS? What I was also wondering is if you keep up the "primally" diet, will you -- at some point -- be able to heal the CFS?

    I think you are doing a great job. It's too bad those pools that don't use chlorine aren't more ubiquitous. Siobhan's swimming sounded like such fun, but I don't do well with chlorine. Used to swim distance, and I think I just went OTT on chlorine. Just thinking being in the water and slowly moving around might be nice for you.

    BTW, I can't seem to find the before and after pictures of you. Probably being functionally illiterate. Where are they again? I tried page 52 here and on some other place (before and after pictures?).

    I think I got spoiled living in Southern California when I was growing up. You could basically swim most of the time. Of course, I'd paid in the damage to my skin. Both my brother and one of my sisters have had skin cancers removed. We were just out in the sun way too much.
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    Yes, there is a difference to be sure! Fibromyalgia benefits from steady slow movement with very little exertion. CFS is made worse by doing too much. I have one doctor tell me that I have both, but if I have CFS it is mild in comparison to the fribromyalgia. I walked an hour yesterday and today - and I'm curious to see what kind of effects I will see tomorrow - or even later today. If walking 2K is just a over your limit, then make it a rule to not go passed 1.5K, even if you feel you could do more. ??? That would possibly help keep you on a more even plain.
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    2k is usually okay, but it was probably a bit ambitious when I was feeling tired starting out. I'm in between today. I got some things done, but flaked out just as DD arrived. So she got to make the salad. I had made the carrot walnut "bread", although I added some salt and thyme. We both liked it very much and thought it could easily be turned into dessert. And I made some spice "cookies" too. Didn't get them quite right. More tweaking to follow.

    Anyway, at least I was not flat on my back, good sign.

    Pam, it didn't lessen the effects as much as I had hoped, which is why I was still casting around for solutions. Of course at the same time we discovered my iron deficiency and worked on correcting that, so it's sometimes hard to know which benefit came from what. Compared to where I was three or even two years ago, I feel much, much better! And I'm hoping I'm getting past the "it gets worse before it gets better" hump with my supplementation.

    Just scroll down on page 52 of this thread and you'll see a couple of pictures (in separate posts) of me a couple of weeks ago and five years ago. Let me know if you still can't find it. If you were expecting them side by side, that might be why you missed them.
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    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

    More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
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    Woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't get back to sleep for a very long time (no, no issues in my head, just didn't sleep) so I ignored alarms this morning and slept in very late. I obviously won't be going anywhere today. I really need to get out to do some shopping one of these days (new bras are becoming urgent) but it won't happen today.

    I didn't mention that my co-grandmother was over for coffee yesterday. She was leaving things for DIL (her daughter) to pick up. She's halfway to primal, having read Wheat Belly and cut out wheat a while back, about the same time as I was going primal, strangely enough. So I told her about MDA and she'll be checking it out. She and I have a lot in common: home-schooling mothers of five children, weird health challenges. We go to the same church, which is how our kids met. It was so weird. Her DS#3 and my DS#4 were talking one day, and said, you know your brother and my sister would go really well together. And when the parents met Translator Son (it's a huge church, very easy not to know people there), they immediately liked him and thought he would be great for their daughter. When the two of them finally met, they came to the same conclusion pretty quickly. It was quite entertaining to watch, especially when they were trying to tell themselves and everybody else they were "just friends". Just friends who couldn't see anybody else in the room, LOL!

    I'm rambling again. Planning on eating very lightly today. Easy to do with leftovers in the fridge, so I won't be cooking, although I do have some ripe bananas I might have to make almond meal muffins out of before they go bad. I forgot I should only buy a couple of bananas at a time when on my own.

    But I'm going to have to sign out of here, so I'm not thinking about food too much.
    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
    Main Primal goal: beating back my CFS enough to function more normally and start writing again

    More and more, our life has been governed by specialists, who know too little of what lies outside their province to be able to know enough about what takes place within it.
    - Lewis Mumford

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