Recovering Raw Vegan Here, How long to transition to MEAT/FAT and Ketosis page

[Confused]

Raw vegan has been a nightmare. Raw egg yolks have been somewhat helpful but meat has been the most helpful. Transitioning this past week has been very rocky and I've been having a lot of junk food craving but I felt more grounded than any day as a raw vegan. I started sweating profusely while sleeping the first night I had meat. I only sweat this way when I have excessive toxins in my body. I've been having nightmares about killing animals and feel very guilty. Everything I learned in the past 2.5 years as a raw vegan has been turned upside down and my identity is in crisis. I'm trying to justify it by saying we are really hunters and society has instilled this guilt in us. I watched the battle of kruger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM to feel more like a hunter which made me want to be a caveman. I also feel more aggressive. Someone told me about Nora Gedgaudas who wrote Primal Body Brimal Mind and I listened to some of her audios which seem to make sense. Any advice or help with this transition is appreciated.

[arthurb999]

It took me about 2 weeks to lose the cravings for bad carbs (wheat, sugary stuff, etc).


I always ate meat so didn't have dreams about killing fluffy bunnies


Try buying a whole fish and cook it... may help confront your "fear".

[iniQuity]

The idea of eating nothing but raw vegetables makes me more afraid than having to take on a buffalo by myself for food.


Ease into it, I could imagine it being very hard on you to make this transition to more of a meat based diet. Take it slow.

[Allbeef Patty]

Have you read The Vegetarian Myth? It may help you come to terms with the natural cycle of life.

[Double-A]

Confused - as a former vegan who struggled with the moral implications of my transitional away from that lifestyle, I implore you to look into Lierre Keith's work 'The Vegetarian Myth'.


I cannot recommend this book enough. All of my self-doubt and guilt is gone, leaving me feeling rather stupid and deluded about that time. I much prefer that feeling over the uncomfortable guilt in the pit of my stomach.


http://www.lierrekeith.com/vegmyth.htm


Check out her interview on Livin' La Vida Lowcarb too.

[DarthFriendly]

I'm a former recovering raw vegan as well, who's new to primal. One thing I'd recommend is to make sure you're getting enough calories, which can help relieve cravings. I calculated it out, and during my raw days I was getting on average 200-1200 a day, with an absolute raw food eating orgy freak out get to only around 1800 or so. (Have you ever tried to eat a whole watermelon by yourself before?)


Also, read as much as you can about nutrition from a veriety of different sources, and look for stuff that's backed up by science, and research rather than cool sounding philosophical arguements about miracle diets. That's one thing I came to realize about raw foods, it sounds good on paper, but none of the raw foodists I knew were getting any healthier after they experienced the initial improvement from cutting out burger king. All this "Grok talk" sounds cool, but there's some real science behind it, and it squares with the other nutritional info I was reading before I found it. (Low carb diets repair the metabolism.)


You might want to ditch the "detox" model for a while as well. There's an obsession "detox" in the raw foods scene, and my take on that is that it's a mask for the fact that people aren't eating enough, and aren't getting enough nutrients, protein, and so forth. "Oh I feel so bad because I'm 'detoxing'" Nothing to do with the fact that water fasting, juice fasting, herbal cleanses, liver flushes, etc. are depriving the body of nutrition, more esoteric answers are needed, and in increasing levels of complexity.


*sigh*


good luck!

[lushstars]

I just started eating meat again too. It has been hard and all I can think about for the last few days. I refer back to Lierre Keiths work a lot and the internet when I feel guilty. And I keep in mind "the big fish eats the little fish".

[stop_hammertime]

My veggie guilt is so strong it has totally derailed me...not to mention I am convinced meat will give me butt cancer, make me smell like a pile of burning tires and age my skin to grandma level in a matter of years.

[vonterschpe]

I second/third/fourth/whateverth the Vegetarian Myth. I'm reading through it right now and its excellent. very easy, quick, and well thought out. Nice book all around and will help you with the things you mentioned.

[alexdarwin25]

Yeah you maybe right..you sweat profusely because there so much toxins in your body..Meat is a good source of protein but it also contains a bad source of fats and cholesterol that may convert into bad toxins..that's why you sweat very badly.. I advice you to drink first a pure pineapple juice it really helps you..it will goes away all the bad toxins in your body..