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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse View Post
    just wanted to balance the "fat, lazy diabetic" thing that seemed to be taking place.
    Really? defensive much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by springnr View Post
    Guess I missed the fat, lazy, diabetic theme you found in the thread.

    I do think replacing fat with sugar in the SAD diet might be a major factor for most folks struggling with type 2 diabetes.
    It just strikes me as crazy that removing bread or sugar from your diet is considered whacky, but folks would understand and think surgery is an acceptable answer.

    Other factors for adult onset are destruction of the pancreas by alcohol, disease, removal by surgery, or progressive failure of the pancreatic beta cells that produce the significant amounts of insulin.
    not taking offense or anything, just saying that there's more to the picture than people who are slowly killing themselves. the picture isn't always as clear as we like to make it out to be. but yes, i get your point. i think the issue is that the mainstream doesn't take primal seriously and thus doesn't care to study it. also, i highly doubt they we study surgery in diabetic patients unless those patients were already obese, so maybe they thought that the surgery would have a benefit for the patients anyway. YKWIM? still doesn't make sense from our standpoint.

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    Really? defensive much?
    no, not really. I just wish we had more concise answers for those who are struggling despite doing what they should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse View Post
    meanwhile my dad has type 2 diabetes (has never been overweight, never had a sweet tooth, and has always been physically active). He tries to control it through diet and exercise but is losing the battle. I introduced him to primal a while ago, and he says that's basically what he's doing anyway. he really doesn't want to be on meds, but doesn't see any alternative due to the way things are going. BTW, he has tried to manage through diet alone since his diagnosis 9 years ago. just wanted to balance the "fat, lazy diabetic" thing that seemed to be taking place.
    Saoirse, it sounds like your Dad does not have T2 Diabetes, he may have LADA, also known as Type 1.5.

    It is estimated that 20% of people diagnosed as having non-obesity-related type 2 diabetes may actually have LADA. Islet cell, insulin, and GAD antibodies testing should be performed on all adults who are not obese that appear to present with type 2 diabetes. Many physicians or diabetes specialists don't recognize LADA or probably don't know the condition actually exists, and so LADA is misdiagnosed as or mistaken for Type 2 diabetes highly often.

    People with LADA are insulin resistant like, but at prevalence levels less than, Type 2. Although some people having type 2 diabetes may inject insulin, in contrast, people with LADA require insulin injections around three to 12 years after so called type 2 diabetes diagnoses.

    Essentially, LADA presents in adults as having impaired insulin production, which diminishes over time. It could make sense that no matter how careful your Dad is with restricting carbohydrates and exercising consistently, he's going to have a case of diminishing returns. If he hasn't already, I hope he gets tested.

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    I've never heard of this, can you tell me more or send me to a reputable website?

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    *g* nevermind, i googled it. thanks for the tip, i'll check into it and ask him if he has been tested.

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    I follow this line of research carefully. In the Diabetes community, there is great hope that the mechanism will eventually be identified during the surgical procedure that puts the Diabetes in to remission. Eventually, the hope is that the surgery as it currently exists will not be necessary; that a more limited procedure will be identified that will halt the progress of the syndrome.

    As a Type II Diabetic who does all the right stuff - healthy BMI, LCHF primal living, high intensity exercise, etc., and still needs oral medication to keep myself at the threshold of a 6.0 A1c, I will be the first volunteer to speak up and offer myself up as a research guinea pig. If most people knew how dire the potential consequences of Diabetes are, they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the lengths people will go to in order to be cured.

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    Check out LADA Support Group for People Living With Type 1.5 Diabetes on Facebook. Some extremely knowledgeable folks lead discussions.

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    thank you. i introduced him to LADA, didn't get much of a response. we'll see where he takes it. maybe i'll give him a nudge in a few months.

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    I saw a doctor on CNN talking about stomach bypass or band surgery as a cure for diabetes. He noted with surprise that there was an almost immediate improvement related to diabetes even prior to weight loss. He said that the reasons were unclear. I know two people who have had the surgery and I am familiar with the post-op diet. They are told to consume protein until almost full and then some vegetables. Their stomachs are smaller and they need to get the most nutritionally dense food into their stomachs first. They are told to avoid grain product because they do not get the nutritional bang for their buck that meat provides.

    What amazes me is that doctors cannot make the correlation that this diet would be good for people who do not have the surgery.

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    Ironically some surgeons actually have people lose weight pre-surgery to reduce fatty liver. If they can lose weight pre-surgery why do they need the surgery? Almost every person that sets foot on the Biggest Loser ranch is a candidate for surger (or has already had one) and they lost weight. The exercise regimen and weight loss program on the ranch is extreme but it does work and they are monitored closely.

    Let's get the message out that there is a better way rather than surgery. I have had surgery so I know the good, the bad and the ugly!

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    Saoirse, if your Dad has LADA it becomes necessary to take insulin as eventually the pancreas cease insulin production. He will keep losing weight as his insulin production drops. It will definitely be a good thing to follow up. He may be afraid of the needles required to use insulin. Sometimes people are forced into facing the evolution of their illness when they end up in the hospital. Best wishes to you both.

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