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    I know a child, about 5 years old who can't breathe through the nose. It's been like that most of the child's life.
    The family has a bad diet, mother is vegetarian and knows nothing about nutrition. The child does eat meat/fish a couple of times a week at least when being looked after by others.

    I guess the breathing problem could be caused by diet, and I wonder if any of you have got experience/knows what might be causing it?

    I doubt the mother will ever listen, but it might be worth a try. She seems to think that its just the way her child is supposed to be ...
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    I think my nose is clearer since eating primal. Don't know if it's from being grainless, or having less dairy. It wasn't severe before, but is improved now.

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    CAn also be from tonsils, adnoids and/or turbinates in the nose being too big. 2 of mine are about to have these removed (on Tues) and my husband will see the ENT soon to see if his ability to breathe out of one side only can be addressed. He's primal and it hasn't helped him.

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    Dairy, wheat and vegetable oils seem to make this worse.
    Otherwise, there is not much that can be done at age 5 besides feeding it a primal diet. My husband and I both weren't able to breathe through our nose. I've been on nasal meds since age 10 (until age 38) and my husband has had multiple nasal surgeries, which haven't helped, he refuses to use nasal spray to clear things up.

    What ultimately helped me was getting allergy shots after taking an allergy test at a specialists office. I took the shots 3 years and built all the anti-bodies I needed for my location.
    I had lingering breathing problems and those cleared up completely after switching to primal (taking out grains and store milk).
    So the child might have several problems...1. due to the mothers bad nutrition during pregnancy the child was born with a narrow maxilla and nasal bone...2. the child/mother have no anti-bodies to the location they currently live in ... and 3. severe food allergies to wheat, dairy, soy, peanuts, egg whites, vegetable oils, etc...

    All of this can be fixed. At age 7 the mother takes the child to an orthodontist who specializes in braces and expansions so that the childs facial bones can grow normally. The child goes to an allergy specialist and has an exptensive allergy test done on the skin for enviroment+foods. And last, the child should get allergy shots for a couple years and all foods the child is allergic to should be taken out of his/her diet.

    I've done all 3 and I'm a completely different person now. Oh how life could've turned out for me had I not been suffering from all of this throughout my entire life, especially through school years. My orthodontic treatment won't be over any time soon, I have another 6 mo.-1 year to go til finished, but my face already looks different than 1.5 years ago when I started.

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    When I was a child I could not breathe through my nose. Additionally I had hearing problems that were related. It may have been caused by diet but not the way that you think. Read Weston A. Price's literature for how it happens. Anyway, the cure for me (at age 7) was tonsilectomy and adenoidectomy plus little tubes to drain the ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bron View Post
    CAn also be from tonsils, adnoids and/or turbinates in the nose being too big. 2 of mine are about to have these removed (on Tues) and my husband will see the ENT soon to see if his ability to breathe out of one side only can be addressed. He's primal and it hasn't helped him.
    I had the same problem when I was a kid. I had turbinate reduction surgery a couple of years ago and it really helped!

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    Thanks guys. You've been very helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyria View Post
    I know a child, about 5 years old who can't breathe through the nose. It's been like that most of the child's life.
    As someone has already hinted, this may be not so much a blocked-up nose (via food allergies) as a pretty much permanent condition caused by the bones of the face not growing right, owing to inadequate diet. (But at 5 I guess there's still a lot of growing to do, so improvement would be possible.)


    And, as the poster commented, see Weston Price's (Director of the American Dental Association's Research Unit in the 1930s) work for more on this. For example, on the Swiss:

    Another change that is seen in passing from the isolated groups with their more nearly normal facial developments, to the groups of the lower valleys, is the marked irregularity of the teeth with narrowing of the arches and other facial features. In the lower half of Fig. 4 may be seen two such cases. While in the isolated groups not a single case of a typical mouth breather was found, many were seen among the children of the lower-plains group. The children studied were from ten to sixteen years of age.
    Nutrition and Physical Degeneration: Chapter 3

    I also recall a picture of a white boy from Alaska. He'd been brought up on what Price called "store-bought food" and as a result needed an operation to help him breathe. Similar changes were beginning to be evident among the native population of the area, as they began to switch to modern "foods" during this period.

    Price thought that optimal facial development required a high dietary level of minerals and of "fat-soluble activators" -- meaning by that fat-soluble vitamins, such as A and D, which he claimed to have found at levels ten times as great in most primitive dietaries compared with the 1930s North American diet.

    It's worth noting here that a vegetarian diet won't supply adequate quantities of fat-soluble vitamins.

    Vitamin K2 is only found in animal products -- maybe if the kid had a lot of really high-quality unpasteurized cheese from animals that had been grazing on good "organic" summer pasture land, she'd be OK.

    Important minerals are often not present in significant quantities in processed foods -- or, nowadays, as would have horrified Price, in fruit and vegetables grown in over-used depleted soils and brought on fast and cheap with NPK fertlizers that don't supply the full spectrum of nutrients needed by the plant.

    What kind of annoys me is that Price did this research back in the 1930s. It was well-known about at the time and used to be a standard text for anthropology students in some schools -- the foreword to that book is by Earnest Albert Hooton, who was the Professor of Anthropology at Harvard University.

    In meantime, all this work seems to have been forgotten about -- except by people in the Paleo and alternative health communities. Low-fat fads, given a helping hand by (1) the commercial interests of fantastically wealthy "breakfast cereal"/baked goods combines and (2) mistaken ideas about what causes heart disease have leaked in to fill the vaccuum in the absence of knowledge. And the rather irresponsible hyping of vegetarianism -- essentially on aesthetic/quasi-moral grounds by people who don't understand the issues --

    e.g. Hugh F-W and the Grauniad:

    Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall recipes | Life and style | The Guardian

    -- is setting defenceless kids up for a lot of pain, when what one should do has been known about for -- what? -- eighty years now.
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    I've been told it all started after a very bad cold/infection at a very early age. The child never quite recovered from it it seems ... Forgot to mention this before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyria View Post
    I've been told it all started after a very bad cold/infection at a very early age. The child never quite recovered from it it seems ... Forgot to mention this before.
    Adding immune system problems on top of the rest? Makes it even more solid for malnutrition. The mom probably never lets his skin see the sun either, I'd guess.

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