Thanks for your response. The research supporting the process is scant and often contradictory. There was the study involving bifocals to reduce near-work stress for instance that failed to show a reduction in myopia progression. I don't believe there is a conspiracy or anything, but some of the research is highly questionable. Nonetheless, there are miracle stories out there, such as that of Antonia Orfield, OD, who reduced her prescription by almost 4 diopters in total (the first 2 diopters solely through wearing reduced prescription contacts) and I believe eliminated her need for glasses altogether. Just a little encouragement for anyone out there trying this...
Originally Posted by afrauenfeld
You are correct. In a way, it's much like primal living. If you are just living in the mainstream dietary 'wisdom', and are experiencing health issues, looking for alternatives, it's not easy to find your way through all the diets and fads and misinformation. Doctors may tell you that diabetes is irreversible, and that you need to live with shots and glucose meters. At least concepts like 'primal living' are getting some good traction - my field has far less in terms of credible alternatives to prescription lenses, which basically monopolized all ideology on myopia treatment choices.
Originally Posted by scottrc5391
It's quite difficult to accomplish what individuals like Orfield did, without a plan and commitment. This is a slow process. In most cases it takes a month, even two, when I work with a new client - to just get to a place where he/she is beginning to note and understand feedback from their eyes in response to stimulus. Without some direction, it can be difficult to distinguish the signs.
Then, there's the matter of other lifestyle impact. Someone may be doing great with exercises, but then spend three hours watching TV (quite counter productive, that degree of eye fixation). In this context of primal, most already understand just how much ground you can lose with 'indulgences'. It's a real issue when you combine the desire to 'cheat' with a process that is quite slow and gradual.
But yes, you *can*, with the right circumstances and mindset, eliminate 4 diopters of correction.
I've been experimenting with going glasses-free for longer periods of time. I enjoy it when I don't need to see anything close, even with the blurriness. I carry my glasses around everywhere in case I need them for social situations or eating or anytime I feel uncomfortable. I do find it easy to slide into just keeping glasses on. For example, without glasses, I will use the computer less because it takes more effort to focus, and also take breaks frequently to rest my eyes. With glasses, I can use the computer for hours, and then have a headache afterwards.
Originally Posted by afrauenfeld
I would also like to ask-- what are your view on sunglasses? I hardly wear them, but recently my ophthalmologist told me I should wear sunglasses when going outside.
My eyes are acting funny, kind of worried. Just started using coconut oil, thought that was supposed to help. I've worn glasses/contacts since I was like 10, have an astygmatism. Thought it was pretty stable but guess not.
Your vision has probably improved a little bit, Hunter. I get eye strain now from this pair of glasses because I am ready for a weaker prescription. Got to find the time to look for some new ones, cheaper this time, as no point in investing in something I am aiming to grow out of.
There is a fairly well substantiated, scientific aspect to my practice - primarily as it relates to vision exercises (focal, peripheral, color, gradient, etc) and diet.
Originally Posted by girlhk
On the other hand, there are components that appear to make a difference, but I hesitate to assign a specific value as I'm not always completely certain of the biological or physiological causes or the extent and combination of effects. Sunlight being one to fall into this second category. From a perspective based on the same principles as the primal lifestyle, I suggest that clients do not wear sunglasses.
To prevent having to squint, I recommend hats to shade your eyes, and if you wear prescription glasses to spend some time outside without wearing them (The glass will cut UV exposure. There is some cursory evidence, and I strongly suspect that sunlight benefits vision - at reasonable exposures).
Over the past 40 years between my father's practice and my own, regions with less sunlight, more rain, longer winters, etc, tend to bring us higher degree of myopia clients. Of course there are various other possible explanations we wouldn't discount ... however, the client with the desk job in the south of France almost always has a half diopter or even a full diopter less of a prescription than a very similar case in the north of the country.
I'm not fond of any treatment choices that I can't fully back with solid scientific explanation and case studies. Still and especially here on a primal forum I'd say ... stick with hats, ditch the sunglasses.
If you are changing vision / lifestyle habits and had a strong prescription prior to these changes, it's quite likely that your eyes will begin to actively reject the original prescription. The symptoms could be from another cause (consult professional), but anything from (very mild) dizziness, general discomfort, eye fatigue, headaches, (mild) nausea, all have been reported by clients.
Originally Posted by billp
It's particularly noticeable to clients in our program ... after a month or two, they often report a physical aversion to putting their glasses on (I keep them at their full prescription initially, so they have this experience and can then interpret the symptom accurately themselves).
For your next prescription, I recommend a little self experiment. No autorefractors, no eye exam in a dark office. There are some pretty decent test lens kits, you can buy them online. Go outside, wear different ones for at least 20 minutes, see what you feel comfortable with (cheating by trying to go too low is really of no benefit). Do it again at dusk. Keep notes, and compare to the Snellen results you should have hanging up somewhere at home.
If you have a rehab therapist, you'll want to get some feedback on the changes. IE, how long since the last prescription, degree of reported change, variation to Snellen, impact of low light, etc.
Then when you buy your next prescription, be sure to account for the details aside from diopter to ensure that your next glasses will provide you with good vision. I'm greatly abbreviating the steps here, but just to give you the idea - as a gradual process, paired with corrective exercise, good lifestyle choices (diet, limited extended focus - ie. television, etc) you are quite likely to find your prescription strength to reduce over time.
As always, I would recommend, resources permitting, doing these things under some guidance. You will almost certainly see faster results and a greater overall chance of success.
'Funny' and 'kind of worried' might warrant a visit with a professional in your area. Coconut oil alone likely won't counteract any notable and sustained symptoms. You can PM me with details about the symptoms, how long you've experienced them, and what you think may have contributed (lifestyle changes?) if it is specifically a myopia symptom concern.
Originally Posted by fiercehunter
How do you know when your eyes are actively rejecting your prescription?
Originally Posted by afrauenfeld