When I was young I spent a LOT of time on the computer or reading, with a bad diet and little exercise. Most of that has changed now. And recently my vision hasn't.
Originally Posted by afrauenfeld
I understand. When you see clearly so your brain knows what it SHOULD be seeing, so when you move away the brain knows what it should be seeing and (theoretically) tries to make the current and past image the same.
Originally Posted by afrauenfeld
Is it best to practise this with a Snellen chart, or a certain piece of text, in actual "eye test sessions", rather than with normal, everyday reading? Trying to do this whilst reading, for example, uni work (where I have a lot to read and must focus on learning it) would take a long time (you read everything twice) and I'm sure my comprehension would fall (at least until the refocusing is a habit).
The best way to do the exercise to to do near-focus work just as you normally would - whether that is computer work or reading. You need about 1-2 hours a day ideally, and if you have the choice, a book is much easier on your eyes than a backlit display (computer, iPad, etc).
It shouldn't be a chore, just a minor adjustment as you, for example, read a book. Make it a habit to keep it at the edge of focus as you read. Once every bit, maybe 10-15 minutes, see if you can get it a bit further a way, blink a bit, see if you can get the text to come into focus. As you read, just keep the text at the edge of focus.
The complete program also involves peripheral vision exercises (quite helpful), some outdoor work without glasses, and some changes in prescription (at -6.00 you should still have a small minus prescription for reading). Ideally you'd have a printed out Snellen to allow you to monitor your progress.
Doing some of this on your own is certainly better than just wearing glasses at all times. It does fall under the subject of 'self experimentation' though, and combined with the fact that even under ideal circumstances this is a long process, failure to get good results is a realistic possibility. If you can find a local professional to provide guidance with exercises, help monitor progress, dial in prescription changes, you're much more likely to succeed.
Getting to 20/30 at -5.50 would be a great start.
Originally Posted by Drakelet
And just to be clear, edge of focus means that the text is still sharp, with just barely some blur. You do *not* want to look at a blurry page, your eye just gives up and you make no progress at all (other than frustrating yourself).
Inspired by this thread I have decided to find an optician who will make me a multiple sets of set of cheap glasses that are not quite strong enough. Maybe even two pairs to start with - one not quite strong enough for distance work, and one even less strong for working on my computer. And no astigmatic correction, as my last pair had some astigmatic correct for the first time in my life.
What I wrote on my blog about this: Palfreman.com » Curing short-sightedness
Basically the same sort of thing that has been in this thread.
I am -8.5 in both eyes and just bought reading glasses (+ 1.75 and + 2) that I'm wearing right now over my contacts to work on the computer. I can read fine, and toggle in and out of fuzzy, but I noticed that when I look over the frame (contacts only) I cannot read the words, it's like I am crosseyed. I can see fine in the distance out of the window, but nt the writing. It takes a couple of seconds until my eyes can focus on writing again. Does that mean that there is an incredible strain on my eyes to look at anyhting close with those contacts? Is this good? Bad? Opinions, please. I also feel a bit nauseated now, so maye I'll stop wearing htese glasses for now. Am I doing this right?
Okay, took the glasses off, and still trouble focusing on close-- did I overdo it, or are my eyes just ready for this?
I'm really enjoying this thread--so many things have "cleared up" from my diet, and i have been working with shifting focus near to far each day outside for a while, although I am very, very dependent on my glasses, and recently just got an even stronger prescription because of inability to see clearly at night. I only wear those glasses when I am driving at night, as they feel too strong, and I don't want to override that prescription, as I have done all my life, since age 12 (when all my grandparents died within a two week period, and my brother was also born at that time--a true time of chaos in our family)
In my late twenties, I was working with a drawing teacher, who thought I needed vision therapy, and I went to a therapist in New York city, who worked with me for a while, but I didn't stick with it, lack of money, etc. My eyes do not converge, and so without strong glasses, there is a double-vision thing going on, not quite double vision, but an overlapping where I see that my eyes do not converge.
It would be nice to find a way--I love how well I feel eating no grains and sugar and grass-fed everything, for four years now. My skin has cleared up, lots of good changes. I will be reading this forum to see what steps I could take to improve my vision.
I was hesitant for a long time to participate in discussions with non clients for this reason.
Originally Posted by billp
It's a bit like reading a few pages about performance tuning a modern motorcycle, feeling motivated by it, buying a set of tools, and starting to mess with the bike. Chances are, you won't end up with a faster bike after going through that experience.
"Multiple sets of cheap glasses that are not quite strong enough" is really not the best place to start. I'm not criticizing, but since you appear to be motivated, it may be a good idea to point you in some suitable directions.
First, don't worry about your minus prescription. Wear it. Having multiple weaker prescriptions is going to give you headaches, confuse the system with conflicting inputs, and generally create frustration that will be counter productive. One of my first goals when working with a client is to make the experience pleasant - as your brain and eyes will work with you, if you work with them, not against them.
The close up work at the edge of focus is the #1 thing you want to do. An hour or two a day at least, depending on the strength of your minus you'd either want to do this with a plus lense, a small minus prescription, or without glasses. I can't say exactly without knowing more about your current index.
Second is peripheral vision work, spending time outside without glasses for at least half hour to an hour a day.
Third is diet.
After a few months of close up work it will make sense to check your own Snellen again, and possibly reduce your minus prescription by a small amount. Not multiple prescriptions, just one, and only if progress warrants it.
I do offer a distance care program to provide guidance, but unfortunately it is full at the moment (PM me if you would like a spot when available). If you do nothing else but the near-focal plane exercises and leave all prescription as is, you'll be making much better progress than playing with cheap glasses.
Maybe I did start something here that wasn't intentional and might be counter productive.
Originally Posted by Comma
Careful, please, when taking action! If you have questions, post or PM me - I can't promise I'll be able to respond quickly, but I'd rather not see you cause any damage or frustration.
At a -8.5 you'll want a small minus prescription for reading. I've seen some clinicians go with the reading glass over contacts route, but I'd suggest against it if your budget has room for a minus prescription - you'll just want one to cover about 20" of space and keep your vision sharp. You can buy test lenses cheap online, as well as an actual prescription. (I cringe a bit as I say this - it's quite vague and really shouldn't be construed as advice).
Much depends on how long you've been at -8.5 and how you'd do with your own Snellen before eating, early in the morning.
The least amount of lens in front of your eye, refraction, optical degradation, is what you want. This can be a confusing process for your brain, and feeling nauseated is definitely *not* a good sign. Regaining close up focus time is fairly normal, but again, not ideal here.
If you can find a book you might be interested with a larger type that you can read without any glasses, this would be good. And / or increasing the font size in your browser. For my clients I tend to recommend the Amazon Kindle as you can adjust the font so you can do close-up work without any prescription. For the $80 it is a worthwhile investment.
Again, please, I posted originally to bring some attention to the fact that primal as a lifestyle is meaningful for eyesight. I didn't intend to invite a large degree of experimentation without guidance. My father spent 40 years in this particular arena, and I have ten so far, and while it's not the most complex thing in the world, you should consider getting some assistance. It's not the sort of thing to self prescribe after a few Internet posts - you can't replace your eyes!
I'm considering some sort of distance care / one-on-one arrangement for any of you who are quite serious about rehabilitating your vision. This is just a thought at this point, if there's enough interest, we can discuss how to make that work - so you can channel your ambition without going off too far in some less than helpful direction. No promises, things here are quite busy this spring - either way, really, find good local professionals to guide you, or talk with me about it. I really don't want to have started a thousand + view thread that could end up being counterproductive.
Sticking with it is key. You are encouraging changes in your vision that will take months, even years to be effective. Over the course of your lifetime, this is very little, even if you spend three years doing non-invasive exercises (if you have a good therapist, this really should be part of the focus, to make it easy to integrate as a daily habit).
Originally Posted by Bashajz
Cost shouldn't prevent you from getting better eyesight. The initial consultations may cost some money as a good professional will take the time to understand exactly where you are at. On an ongoing basis it's just some check ups, providing motivation, keeping you on track, and basically 'teaching you how to fish', ie. giving you the tools to become your own guide. So once you've picked a good resource and gone through the initial review, the cost should be less than buying prescription glasses.