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    Quote Originally Posted by jammies View Post
    I agree that bad oils are a major health hazard. But I also think that as populations become more and more sedentary they become less able to handle simple carbohydrate.
    I agree that us being sedentary and confined to an office is a huge part of the problem, but I don't blame carbohydrate.





    Interestingly, we eat the same about of carbohydrate today that we did 100 years ago, and 100 years ago, heart disease and diabetes was rare. Evidence shows time and time again that it isn't carbohydrate that causes diabetes and heart disease, but rather individual sources of carbohydrate AND fat. The big difference in our diet is the source of our calories, and our total calorie intake.

    Real honey has been replaced with fake, boiled honey.
    Sugar has been replaced with HFCS and artificial sweetener.
    Wheat flour has been replaced with dwarf wheat flour.
    Butter and lard has been replaced by soybean and/or canola oil.
    Soy is in everything, where it used to be in nothing.

    Also, we consume around 400 total calories a day more, yet the majority of the jobs 100 years ago involved manual labor where today hardly any do. Ironically, since carbs have held constant, and protein is relatively unchanged, the thing that increased dramatically is fat intake. We ate lower fat diets 100 years ago. The difference is, steak, potatoes, butter and traditional wheat flour, brown sugar and molasses have been replaced by chicken breast deep fried in soybean oil, GMO dwarf wheat flour and white sugar/HFCS. Does anyone not eligible for AARP cook and bake with molasses or real honey anymore? They used to be (surprisingly nutritious) staples in households for ages.

    IMO, vegetable oils are the biggest contributor of modern disease, with GMO soy and GMO wheat being #2 and #3. I don't see as big of an issue with actual ancient wheat as an agent of disease for occasional treats, but not as a dietary staple. I feel like eggs and bacon have been replaced by cereal and pancakes nowadays.
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    I would not be surprised to see a link, nor would I automatically write off any possibility of causation.

    This is not to say that eating white rice will give you diabetes. It is a part of my personal glycogen refill protocol and can be very useful.

    But, it is essentially a direct glucose injection, and when people with deranged metabolism eat white rice on top of an already "sugar based" diet, they are going to be asking for trouble.

    If you're healthy, and looking for a clean carbohydrate to serve a purpose in your body, it's probably pretty benign.
    However, most people are already well on their way to insulin resistance and a bowl of white rice every night is not going to move that in the right direction.

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    This doesn't look any different than the studies that say red meat will kill you. It's observational, it shows a "link", and doesn't really ascribe a mechanism.

    I give it about the same weight as I do all the other "fat kills" studies.

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    In other news, correlation does not equal causation, researchers caution, citing the need for controlled studies to establish any prescriptive advice whatsoever.
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    Excess consumption of carbs can cause type II diabetes.

    Rice is a source of dense carbs so of course it can be an agent of causation. That's a basic logical inference. No scientific studies required to back that up, thank you very much.

    Pretty much any source of carbs can be the agent, especially when eaten in the context of a low fat diet and a sedentary lifestyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    I agree that us being sedentary and confined to an office is a huge part of the problem, but I don't blame carbohydrate.





    Interestingly, we eat the same about of carbohydrate today that we did 100 years ago, and 100 years ago, heart disease and diabetes was rare. Evidence shows time and time again that it isn't carbohydrate that causes diabetes and heart disease, but rather individual sources of carbohydrate AND fat. The big difference in our diet is the source of our calories, and our total calorie intake.

    Real honey has been replaced with fake, boiled honey.
    Sugar has been replaced with HFCS and artificial sweetener.
    Wheat flour has been replaced with dwarf wheat flour.
    Butter and lard has been replaced by soybean and/or canola oil.
    Soy is in everything, where it used to be in nothing.

    Also, we consume around 400 total calories a day more, yet the majority of the jobs 100 years ago involved manual labor where today hardly any do. Ironically, since carbs have held constant, and protein is relatively unchanged, the thing that increased dramatically is fat intake. We ate lower fat diets 100 years ago. The difference is, steak, potatoes, butter and traditional wheat flour, brown sugar and molasses have been replaced by chicken breast deep fried in soybean oil, GMO dwarf wheat flour and white sugar/HFCS. Does anyone not eligible for AARP cook and bake with molasses or real honey anymore? They used to be (surprisingly nutritious) staples in households for ages.

    IMO, vegetable oils are the biggest contributor of modern disease, with GMO soy and GMO wheat being #2 and #3. I don't see as big of an issue with actual ancient wheat as an agent of disease for occasional treats, but not as a dietary staple. I feel like eggs and bacon have been replaced by cereal and pancakes nowadays.
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    As a person who lived on candy, kool-aid and spaghetti until a few years ago, I can easily tell you I'm afraid of regular rice consumption. My body has been put through enough, and at best I can only delay the inevitable a bit longer than some other folks at this point. I'm all for high-carb paleo for those people who have never lived exclusively on Jack-in-the-box tacos for months on end. But my body is wracked. High-fat really has been amazing, with just a day or two of carbing up here and there on sweet potatoes or the rare non-primal dinner.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifegill View Post
    As a person who lived on candy, kool-aid and spaghetti until a few years ago, I can easily tell you I'm afraid of regular rice consumption. My body has been put through enough, and at best I can only delay the inevitable a bit longer than some other folks at this point. I'm all for high-carb paleo for those people who have never lived exclusively on Jack-in-the-box tacos for months on end. But my body is wracked. High-fat really has been amazing, with just a day or two of carbing up here and there on sweet potatoes or the rare non-primal dinner.
    I'm with ya there, I can't eat it without feeling like crap. I crash HARD if I eat anything very starchy, especially for breakfast or lunch. Even an apple can make me feel like lead weights are attached to my eyelids, about 10 minutes after eating it! Rice is great for anyone who can handle it, but I'm definitely not in that bucket.

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