Well I was gonna just let it drop, but since this thread made it back to the front page I'll write another response for fun!
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
First off, I gave you data only because you called me out.
"Ah, the "because I said so" argument. But you did a good job wrapping it in the "studies have shown" guise. It makes the fallacy sound more convincing." Your exact words.
As if I couldn't back my stance that there is sufficient evidence of humans thriving in such a manner. So now you have to backpedal. Its not that I'm FOS and using fallacies, its that you just disregard the data cause you don't like epidemiology. How many hunter gatherer groups does it take to convince you if 229 isn't enough? It doesn't matter because no matter what evidence I provide your mind is made up. You have your paradigm built up that your working from, and you can't see outside of it. Biochemistry is great, but to me its folly to rely on it alone. Especially if you only have a working knowledge of the basics. In case you didn't know, many of the biological mechanisms put forth in molecular biology are just as hypothetical as those put forth based on epidemiological data. Very littly is known comparatively. Thats what makes the cross reference with epidemiology so vital. But to each their own.... I don't begrudge someone their opinion. Just took exception to being called out so I responded.
So one by one..... I CAN refute the clame that HFLC is more stressful, I CAN refute your claim that insulin resistance from a HFLC diet is detrimental to health in any manner, I CAN refute that fatty acids are inferior to carbohydrate on a cellular level. Really... I can do all this with published literature, and I have. Just as with the cited hunter gatherer tribes though, I've done it all before and it got us nowhere. So if you call me out on my ability to back these claims in this instance your just gonna have to do an MDA search for those old threads.
So for abc123....your plan looks good, and I think you can count on achieving excellent health with it. And you are right, me and Choco probably aren't disagreeing on anything of great importance here. It's just minutia, slight differences of opinion on optimal health, and a bit of ego on both parts.
Derp..... I think we both are far enough along to know what we don't know (which I'm fine with admitting is quite a lot in my case) and just have our opinions on what we do. I can respect that.
Last edited by Neckhammer; 08-02-2013 at 08:50 AM.
I have to eat extraordinarily low carbohydrate or else I bloat like a balloon, I swear, 4 pieces of lettuce and I am bloated like an 8 month pregnant woman. I do far better without veggies, sadly, I really do love them!
Really? I thought lettuce was the least offensive veg for bloat?
Originally Posted by GiGiEats
Then what veg have you found not to bloat?
I checked out your web page and YouTube - but that's not "personal" diet related yet pretty funny.
How about fruit? But you may be more focused on low carb than no bloat?