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    I didn't want to say anything as several of you guys use stevia, but the first side effect listed is bloating -- then numbness, dizziness, etc. The FDA will not approve it as a food additive. Scary, unknown stuff, but that could be it. You could look it up. I keep thinking a bit of raw sugar would probably be better. Just an idea.

    The second idea is that all that mud slinging just put 2.5 pounds of muscle on you overnight. Hmm! Probably not quite so realistic:-) -- but you never know.

    In any case, hope you are feeling a lot better soon. Bloating is not fun. I mean, we work our butts off to lose weight and then bloat. That's definitely an insult.
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    Insult is a good word for it! I have posted on your journal about the stevia thing ... I have a hard time believing much of anything the FDA says quite honestly! They usually have someone with ulterior motives funding 'research' in my opinion However, I will keep my eyes open for more information. Just seems weird that local tribes have used it for generations with no known side effects... it isn't as though this is a new 'chemical' or drug, it is a plant that is well known in the area for its health benefits and enjoyable sweetness. Just my thoughts though. I am going to head outside and do some mudslinging - haven't done any yet as the mud was too wet for my taste...
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    OK. I can't resist this. We've been using grains for about 10,000 years:-):-):-) Just saying:-) I am NOT a proponent of most grains -- just saying -- to be slightly obnoxious:-)

    OK, we'll go for the mudslinger option -- lots of new muscle -- even if you haven't done it yet. I'm all for positive thinking.

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    Insult is a good word for it! I have posted on your journal about the stevia thing ... I have a hard time believing much of anything the FDA says quite honestly! They usually have someone with ulterior motives funding 'research' in my opinion However, I will keep my eyes open for more information. Just seems weird that local tribes have used it for generations with no known side effects... it isn't as though this is a new 'chemical' or drug, it is a plant that is well known in the area for its health benefits and enjoyable sweetness. Just my thoughts though. I am going to head outside and do some mudslinging - haven't done any yet as the mud was too wet for my taste...
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    Okay, so this is where the stevia debate is going on.

    I don't trust the FDA further than I can spit. I mean, they allowed aspartame, for crying out loud. I am open to hearing of independent research though. My understanding is that stevia has been used for decades in Japan and other countries, and thoroughly researched there, with no ill effects found. Sounds like I might have to do my own stevia experiment to see if it causes bloating in me.
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    I agree totally about the FDA, and I don't think I can spit very far at all. I had just noticed the bloating issue.

    So, we're back to 2.5 pounds of wondrous muscle from preparations for slinging mud:-)
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    Tee hee hee! Well, I have carted 3 wheelbarrow loads of mud (soft tires too!) and spread it around in the appropriate spots. Then DS and I pulled weeds until my hands couldn't grip hard enough to tug them out of the soil. It felt good to get out and work a bit. I have had a lot of time inside and sitting with school and computer stuff lately. Maybe that is why I am bloated Pam, you are so right! I had to laugh at the 10 000 years of grains parallel! Can't necessarily use that as a claim for 'ok to eat' though the Japanese ( as Judg said too) have used it for decades and have found no side effects. I may just do a test on myself - problem is there are so many variables that could influence this... hard to know if it is the cause or just something that happened to happen at the same time....

    I am still feeling wonderfully bloated this evening - I find when I feel like this I want to eat more! For Pete's sake - what is that all about?! So I have had a surfeit of food this afternoon. Nothing this morning and then from 2:30 pm to now I have eaten a lot of food. I guess my body will be happy to realise that there are times of plenty too and then I will shut it down again and get the show on the road to fat loss.

    A sick bird has ensconced itself in the chicken run and cage - in fact it spent part of the day in the feed bowl! So I have to clean everything super well before the chickens can use it again! Grrr! Very cute - but the bringer of more work than I care to have right now! DH took it this evening to the East pasture and left it under some bushes and hopefully something will eat it tonight or it will get better. I am going to have to put bird netting around my chicken run to keep the little sparrows etc out as they are devouring the chicken feed at a rate of knots! And then there is always the risk of a chicken catching one again and going cannibalistic on me! Already dealt with that once - don't need a repeat.
    Start weight: 225.5 lbs Feb 13 2012. Height: 5'7"
    Primal low: 186 lbs
    Current weight: 218 lbs
    S.T. goals: stabilize hormones, JUDDD, sleep early and long
    LTG: Find my sweet spot with which foods work for me and start losing weight
    Goal weight: 135 lbs

    Just take it one bite at a time ...

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    Ah, the life of a farmer. Damn, I miss it. Even the miles and miles and miles of fencing!!

    Luckily, I never had a cannabilistic chicken or pig. I can't imagine either one being fun.

    Oh, all the wheelbarrow loads with soft tires. I'm feeling that!

    Well, I'm for you waking up with absolutely no bloat. If it was the sitting around, the wheelbarrow loads of mud and weeding should do the trick.

    Goats are great at weeding, but they have difficulty figuring out which is weed and which is your prize flower!
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    Lol, Pam, the chickens have the same kind of issue - just with tomatoes and strawberries They don't get to play in my garden until it is all done. I LOVE your avatar - have you been to Tibet? Though most of the yaks I saw were black and dark brown there. They run like a wild animal, not like a cow at all, and can jump amazingly well! I just loved my time in Tibet - journey of a lifetime!

    I have not had a very good couple of days - been eating way too much. Today is back on track for me. Going to the BIL and SIL this afternoon and then for dinner. I am supposed to take dessert.... mmm, what to take. Maybe I should make that icecream and apple crisp I have been talking about for a while. Our family will be ecstatic ... They make a real effort to feed us primally which is very sweet. Such nice people...

    I got to try out my new vacuum sealer yesterday! Very cool gadget! I vacuum packed a bunch of dehydrated fruit leather and veggies and then packed them out of reach of the nasty moths that have a habit of attacking my good stuff. Much less bulky than all the jars I was using too.

    No school today! Yippee! Going to really chow down on the good stuff today and no chocolate for me today- I had a bunch yesterday. Off to go and drink my tea - feeling unbloated today, so will have stevia and see if I notice any effects. I really don't want there to be any reaction to stevia! I love my tea with cream and just enough stevia to make it lightly and delightfully sweet. I loved it with honey before, but that is not going to help my quest for fat removal! Ah well, we'll see how it goes.
    Start weight: 225.5 lbs Feb 13 2012. Height: 5'7"
    Primal low: 186 lbs
    Current weight: 218 lbs
    S.T. goals: stabilize hormones, JUDDD, sleep early and long
    LTG: Find my sweet spot with which foods work for me and start losing weight
    Goal weight: 135 lbs

    Just take it one bite at a time ...

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    Only been to Tibet in my dreams and imagination and through the many books I've read about it. I have a children's book too called THE WAY TO LHASA about a boy and yak. It has the most beautiful illustrations. I would like to make friends with a yak someday -- as well as with a musk ox and a sea turtle.

    I have some Tibetan prayer flags in my room. The fan moves them like the wind.

    Well, I'm glad to hear you don't have the kids do school everyday:-) Sounds like today will be fun for you. Your dessert sounds yummy too.

    So glad the bloat is gone. That is marvelous. Maybe it's tea! JUST TEASING YOU:-)
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    Lol Pam! You are a tease

    I have not had a good weekend as far as my self discipline went! Today was pretty bad too! Just eating and eating! I am going to force myself to just have a bit of left over steak for dinner and NOTHING else except maybe some herbal tea! I don't know what has gotten into me the last few days. It is almost as if I am on a self destruct because I didn't stay at 187.5 lbs and bounced back up to 189.5 lbs. I have been eating too much chocolate, just too much overall and it freaks me out as I REALLY don't want to get back over 190 again! On a good note, I pulled out some old jeans that have been lurking in the closet waiting for me to dump more fat, and they officially fit! No muffin top, I can squat without feeling like I might burst a seam or end up with purple feet! I now have 5 pairs of jeans that are wearable - this is wealth of a wonderful kind! I also went through my closet and got rid of some of my 2XL clothes, big step for me. I am always afraid I am just going to regain all the fat and then I will have nothing to wear. But, I am feeling more confident that the weight is not going to just jump back on me when I am not looking Even though I have not lost much weight over the last month ( 5 lbs) it is something and it is in the right direction. So I 'failed' at the 21 day challenge in that I did not reach my goal weight. However I did lose some for the first time in months so from that perspective it was successful. My heel is better and while I am not in the midst of a decent exercise program, I am still doing much more than I was. So I guess that is also a positive.

    I was just realising this evening that part of why I have had the munchies, is because I am not being grateful for all the multitude of blessings that I have. Instead I have been focusing on what I want and don't have - this seems to lead directly into overeating too. Definite correlation there for me. Ingratitude = overindulgence! Yikes - not too nice seeing that side of myself But, better than being oblivious and continuing the same behaviour.

    I am still not sleeping well - the weather is great and I have occasional good nights but the rest of the time I am restless and having disturbed sleep. And I am still not going to bed at a good time most nights - probably part of the problem there! Anyway, I am a bit of a mess at the moment. Need to try and pick up the pieces and start going again.
    Start weight: 225.5 lbs Feb 13 2012. Height: 5'7"
    Primal low: 186 lbs
    Current weight: 218 lbs
    S.T. goals: stabilize hormones, JUDDD, sleep early and long
    LTG: Find my sweet spot with which foods work for me and start losing weight
    Goal weight: 135 lbs

    Just take it one bite at a time ...

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