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    Late night post

    Well, I am feeling something this evening. In the past, I would have labelled it hunger, but right now, I am just going to call it a feeling, and spend some time feeling it. It is only four hours since I last ate, so I won't be fooled. The killer is that today I bought some Coconut Bliss to try, and I sure would like to try it NOW. But I am sure it will taste just as good tomorrow, after a nice hunk of protein.

    I do not expect to get this right every time, but being more aware can only be a step in the right direction. And I know I said I would not report day-to-day weights, but the scale moved in a very satisfying direction this morning. It could just as likely be a coincidence, but I am loving it just the same.

    Still weighing less than my honey, which feels great. He is not weighing right now, so until he actively starts trying to lose weight, I will consider myself a tiny little thing.

    Our plans for tomorrow include playing some games, burgers and brats, and a red-white-and-blue dessert (strawberries and blueberries over your choice of vanilla ice cream or vanilla whipped cream). I am also thinking of doing a personal Murph (as described on Skink's journal) and saying some prayers for fallen soldiers. Today, I got to spend some time with my honey, as both the girls were out. We watched a little Downton Abbey, among other things.

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    I know that in the past when I was "on a diet" getting hungry was the enemy. All efforts were spent to avoid it. I was actually afraid of feeling hungry. Took me a long time to stop being afraid of it. To learn that it would not be a debilitating event, that it would ebb and flo, and that it could wait till I could get to it with something worthy of eating.

    Eating because I am tired right now is my biggest enemy. I feel guilty if I stop "working" mid-afternoon, and God forbid I take a nap (in my head not anyone else's), so I end up fighting the urge to eat for a couple of hours in the middle of the afternoon. sometimes I win, sometimes I lose.
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    Yesterday I did this:

    Up at 8:00
    Vitamins

    12:00 1C sauteed cabbage and peppers
    1/2C taco meat
    1/4C cheddar
    2T salsa
    1/4C sour cream
    1/4C pistachios

    6:15 1 rotisserie chicken breast
    1C lettuce
    1/2 artichoke heart, 1 mushroom
    2T caesar dressing
    1/2C roasted veg
    1 intense custard cup
    1 square 90% Lindt chocolate
    smear of hazel nut butter

    Water: 10 glasses
    20" Walking

    Bed at 11:00

    Managed to talk myself out of eating more in the evening, though not without some difficulty. I had a cold sensation in my midriff, which at first perception, my mind tried to turn into hunger. And, I had to go out of the house (to pick up Littlest), always a danger time, as it is easy for my mind to talk my body into drive through food anytime I am alone in the car if things are already leaning that way.

    But I did it.

    Not sure how, so I didn't learn a new, repeatable skill, but I'll take blind luck, if that's what I've got.

    We have a barbeque planned for this afternoon, so I am not going to eat this morning or lunch time. I am determined to have some True Hunger to work with for our barbeque.

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    This has been so interesting, watching you learn how to listen to your body more carefully. I think you are moving into a whole new way of living.

    There is some diet guru out there, whose name I totally forget, who basically tells people not to eat until they're hungry, and to stop eating when they are no longer hungry. That is the essence of her whole system. It was quite a revelation for me. I haven't been as systematic about it as you have, but it probably had something to do with my turning things around. When she was fat and trying to lose weight she decided to observe her skinny friends and that was the big thing that blew her away. They would stop eating in mid-burger if they didn't feel like eating anymore.

    I do remember her saying that many people haven't been hungry in so long, that when they do experience hunger, they take it for indigestion.

    I do try to time my eating to fit in with the social obligations of the day to some extent, but I am worrying about that less now that I'm not having the blood sugar crashes. I can tough out being hungry much longer without terrible consequences.
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    I love barbeque!

    Well, I was hungry when I started eating, but I kept eating well after I stopped being hungry. It all tasted so good, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

    Yesterday:
    Up at 6:30
    Vitamins

    3:45 large burger patty with
    lettuce, tomato, grilled onions
    mayo, ketchup, mustard
    colby jack cheese
    1/4 avocado
    1 bratwurst
    2 ribs with mystery sauce (brought by friend)
    1/4C coconut bliss
    bowl of fruit salad
    3 squares chocolate

    7:00 much vanilla ice cream with
    strawberries and blueberries

    Water: 10 glasses
    Walking: 65"

    Bed at 10:00

    There was no Murph, it was just too hot. Perhaps Veteran's Day might be a more appropriate time for newbies attempting this in the southern states.

    Feeling rather weighted this morning, but perfectly happy about my splurge. I am anticipating that it will be a while before I feel True Hunger again, though. The delicious beef and sweet potato stew that has been melding in the fridge may have to go on without me. I'll stick it in the freezer after dinner tonight, in case I don't get any this go round. Don't worry, Sabine, there will always be more stew.

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    You know, I think it is a really necessary thing to feast every now and again.
    5'2", 55 years, Primal since April. Pre-Primal weight loss, from 216.6 to 157.8
    Primal low: 140.2 (Dec. 3) Goal weight: 135?
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    There is definitely some Interested Hunger going on around here. I keep thinking about that beef stew. And, now, a new challenge: Littlest is suffering from the beginnings of a cold. She has a yen for her favorite chocolate cake, but doesn't want to make it herself(which she usually does) because she doesn't want to spread her germs around. So she asked me to make it. I'll be doing that momentarily, but it means smelling good smells and being in the kitchen (10 steps closer to the beef stew!)

    I'm trying thinking about the fact that tomorrow is my sashimi day, and I can surely wait out this fake hunger when I have raw fish waiting, only 18 hours away.

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    Beef stew. None.

    I watched others eating my beef stew, and had none of it.

    Also, leftover pasta salad, fruit salad, and baguette (Middlest's party stuff), but none of those generated the pangs that the stew did. It looked so yummy. Interested Hunger was definitely trying to pass itself off as True Hunger, but I was not fooled. True Hunger may have come around just before bedtime, but at that point I was focused so hard on not eating (bedtime!) that I didn't try to see if it was True Hunger or not. I was ready for bed!

    I think it was True Hunger, though, because when I got up to let the dogs out at 4:00am, it took the opportunity to show up again. Fake Hungers never visit me in night. I am luckily not one of those who finds themselves drawn to the fridge while the house sleeps. If my stomach is growling at 4:00am, it is because I am HUNGRY.

    But I was NOT going to eat at 4:00am. I wouldn't be awake enough to enjoy it.

    When I get up at night, for the dogs' bathroom visits or my own, I tend to shuffle through the house with my eyes almost closed, to avoid waking up completely. Not a state conducive to eating; at least, eating with purpose and enjoyment. I suppose I could have shovelled some Twinkies into my mouth in that state, but no Twinkies in our house. (I have not had Twinkies for years, but I was still sad when I heard that Hostess is going bankrupt. They are a ridiculous non-food, but still, Twinkies! They should always be around, don't you think?)

    So, I am anticipating that True Hunger will visit again this morning, knocking like the polite soul it is, and I will be able to say, "come back at 11:30, and we'll go out for sashimi. It's gym night, tonight, and we get to load up on protein!"

    I expect True Hunger will be ecstatic.

    Yesterday's stats:

    Up at 5:45
    Vitamins
    Water: 14 glasses
    Walking: 80"
    Bed at 9:30

    Got a slight sunburn during my walk. Where's my vaunted vitamin D advantage!?!

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    Sabine, you inspire me!

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    "I suppose I could have shovelled some Twinkies into my mouth in that state, but no Twinkies in our house. (I have not had Twinkies for years, but I was still sad when I heard that Hostess is going bankrupt. They are a ridiculous non-food, but still, Twinkies! They should always be around, don't you think?)"

    I think twinkies always will be around, they must have a 600 year half life, they NEVER go bad! Scarey really.
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    My "Program": doing my version of a 4:3 - 3 day fast diet with real food every day, with a little twist of anti-inflammatory mixed in.

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