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    Primal Fuel
    Luckily, the will power is only being hauled out to deal with the habit of wanting to eat, and the mental desire to have the tastes.
    So far, no hunger.
    Although, I did think I might be starting to feel hungry at about 1:30, followed by a little light-headedness. It went away, but if it returns in a few hours, I will call that hunger. Very manageable, though. No desire to throw myself on a plate of food, just sort of an academic interest, as in, 'Could I be hungry? Maybe. Let's see.'
    Which in itself, is a very interesting way to be feeling. Oh, how I love not being obsessed by food, the way I used to be, day in and day out.

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    Good for you! You must be really proud of yourself.

    I was reading a couple of pages back about the fat cells and such - the movie "Fathead" and Naughton's "Big Fat Fiasco" have some info on this sort of thing, although I don't remember anything about possibly be able to purge those fat cells from your body with primal eating (let's pray). Although maybe there was! Also Gary Taubes's book "Why We Get Fat..." addresses that issue also in quite some detail. I'm a complete geek, so I like detail. He tackles the really interesting issue of why people who live in poverty and actually don't have enough to eat can be and are quite obese. It has to do with the cells holding onto fat.
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    All right I am finally caught up, geez, you guys sure are chatty! Anyway, wanted to mention that you can freeze fresh ginger so you can always have it on hand (for your cucumber Thai salad). And congrats on the fast. My body is still not at a point where I don't feel ill if I skip too many meals, someday.
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    Oooh. Okay, grating up a bunch of ginger and freezing it would be worthwhile.

    I found Gary Taubes' and Tom Mcnaughton's explanations of how you are not fat because you overeat, you overeat because you are fat(and not processing nutrients effectively) to be very helpful to me. At the very least, it helps me not to beat myself up so much when I overeat. I'm beginning to understand that it is not a matter of willpower, but my body crying out for something. (When it is not emotions.) I just need to figure out what it really wants. And sadly, no, it is not usually chocolate cake. Though, maybe, sometime, it might be.

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    Yeah, he says something like, "You're as fat as you need to be." Meaning that your body is just doing what it needs to survive on the fuel you are providing. And since our diets have become highly politicized and a source of income/career building/general pissing match, we can be inadvertently providing ourselves with the wrong fuel. I know I was! If you told me 7 weeks ago I would be grain free, I wouldn't even know what you meant! And this is my 6-week anniversary! It is pretty obvious to me, at this point, that FAT is what my body wants. Limiting fat was the worst thing for my mood, my energy, my health.
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    The other thing I found very interesting is this write up about the starvation study done by Ancel Keys during WWII, actually I read the book, but here is the link to the study...They Starved So That Others Be Better Fed: Remembering Ancel Keys and the Minnesota Experiment and from reading Paul McKenna's book "I Can Make You Thin". Each in their own way said that you will do what you have to do to get what your body needs. Unfortunately so many of our foods are devoid or at least deficient of necessary vitamins and minerals that we often end up overeating in an effort to compensate.

    To that add the confusion of our brains knowing we need something but being unclear what that is (sleep, fluids, a hug, etc.) we often eat to fulfill the need.

    I for one, eat too much most days, this I know. The odd thing is that I do not eat processed foods, and I am fairly active, so my situation flies in the face of CW and its SAD, and the idea that if you are obese you spend you time eating junk in front of a tv.

    In the Starvation Experiment, they were restricted to about 1800 calories a day and expected to walk 22 mi a week. Heck, I generally eat 1,400 to 1,700 and walk over 30 miles a week, usually more. They had a few housekeeping chores to do, and could attend classes if they wanted. Their symptoms and the lengths they went to to get a little extra food is very telling, and a little familiar. It is fascinating really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demuralist View Post
    All right I am finally caught up, geez, you guys sure are chatty! Anyway, wanted to mention that you can freeze fresh ginger so you can always have it on hand (for your cucumber Thai salad). And congrats on the fast. My body is still not at a point where I don't feel ill if I skip too many meals, someday.
    Thanks for the info! Never thought of that. My life just got less complicated.

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    Yeah, he says something like, "You're as fat as you need to be." Meaning that your body is just doing what it needs to survive on the fuel you are providing. And since our diets have become highly politicized and a source of income/career building/general pissing match, we can be inadvertently providing ourselves with the wrong fuel. I know I was! If you told me 7 weeks ago I would be grain free, I wouldn't even know what you meant! And this is my 6-week anniversary! It is pretty obvious to me, at this point, that FAT is what my body wants. Limiting fat was the worst thing for my mood, my energy, my health.
    Boy, you made up your mind fast! It took me weeks, if not months, to be ready to give it a go.
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    Hmm! That'll teach me to tell Coll I'm outta here. Thought I would go quietly (since I can't achieve gracefully). All okay. I suppose it was better to address things instead of leaving. I just get so tired sometimes. M called me 9 times today. It's Sunday!!! She wanted her sheets changed. They do that there for free anytime and also on a regular basis. I tried telling her that when I called her at 4. Mistake. Now she's decided she can't read. She was reading big print books just fine last week.

    And it's too hard to turn her computer on. And she can't turn her tv on. And she needs someone to talk to all the time. I'm almost to the point of moving to Texas -- which I would love except we live here and anything over 75 degress is just not workable for me:-) Teasing. I actually don't expire until about 85.

    Anyway, thanks for posting on my journal, I think:-):-):-)

    I actually ate cilantro-chicken wontons today on a big bed of raw spinach and didn't get grossed out. There could be hope for me yet, although I'm feeling a little uncertain right now. I think perhaps I was a hobbit in a former life:-)

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    I'm glad to see you, Lopisheep. Just do your own thing, and don't stress. About the food at least. I think your son's suggestion to just get what you want and feel like eating, is a good one.
    Man, your Mother is a piece of work! 9 calls?!?

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    Yay! I'm hungry!

    Finally got hungry yesterday!

    Here's how it went:

    Up at 7:00
    Vitamins
    Water: 16 glasses
    Walking: 100 minutes
    Bed at 8:30

    Started feeling hunger at about 1:30, with a little light-headedness to follow. It came back at 5:00, so I decided it was the real thing. Another bit at 8:30. All manageable, though. I'm planning to continue to fast today, then break my fast sometime tomorrow.

    The two biggest difficulties are the desire for the TASTE of food, an the habit of eating. I am trying to keep busy with things I enjoy doing, and I have done more walking. Today, I have plans in the morning for a long walk to the yarn store- about an hour each way. I get to chose the yarn for the waistband of a skirt I am making. Love buying yarn, but I need to restrain myself, so I haven't done it in a while. In the afternoon, I am going to watch a movie, while I sip my Pellegrino water. And in the evening I am demanding a massage from my honey. Which should lead to other pleasant evening activities. (No chocolate of any variety afterwards, though!)

    Got two books from the library which are giving me some interesting reading. The 'Dukan Diet Cookbook' and the 'Three Season Diet'.

    Dukan has a diet based on all protein days, alternating with protein and vegetable days. I thought there would be a lot of good recipes in it, and there are.

    The Three Season Diet is based on the idea that different diets are suited to different body types, and times of the year. He doesn't present many scientific studies to back it up, but there are a lot of intriguing ideas in it. And certainly, the idea of eating seasonally, fits right in with primal. He also has relaxation tips, and interesting ideas on how and why our bodies use energy based on stress.

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