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    Help my argument, please

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    Once again, already this morning, a family member reads an article aloud to me that weight loss is all about calories and that it does not matter where those calories are coming from. I am so exasperated surrounded by people who want to start their day with cereal, o.j., bagels etc while I am cooking my eggs in coconut oil and eating bacon. What can I say if our calories are the same?

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    Simple,tell them that being healthy isn't just about losing weight.I can lose a ton of weight by eating nothing but table sugar and cardboard,but will I be healthy? Hell no.Paleo eliminates almost all the toxic and harmful foods that have become a staple of our modern diet,and while someone who eats a paleo diet will certainly lose weight,the real results are the increase in overall health from fueling your body with healthy and natural foods instead of processed garbage.

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    Well, if you read the Primal Blueprint, it gets into the basic science of why grains are unhealthy and why cutting them out and eating fat IS. Grains are high in carbohydrates, which control insulin, which controls fat storage (along with other factors, but this is the most significant aspect of eating paleo). Read the book and do a little research on the subject to learn the science behind the food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdilla View Post
    Well, if you read the Primal Blueprint, it gets into the basic science of why grains are unhealthy and why cutting them out and eating fat IS. Grains are high in carbohydrates, which control insulin, which controls fat storage (along with other factors, but this is the most significant aspect of eating paleo). Read the book and do a little research on the subject to learn the science behind the food.
    As more info comes out it's becoming apparent that the carbs aren't the issue,all the toxic anti-nutrients and other harmful things in grains and other modern food are the real issue.Even folks like Robb Wolf and Kurt Harris are saying that paleo is more macro-nutrient agnostic,and the real emphasis is to avoid foods that are detrimental to our health instead of the macro-nutrients that these terrible foods happen to contain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @lex View Post
    As more info comes out it's becoming apparent that the carbs aren't the issue,all the toxic anti-nutrients and other harmful things in grains and other modern food are the real issue.Even folks like Robb Wolf and Kurt Harris are saying that paleo is more macro-nutrient agnostic,and the real emphasis is to avoid foods that are detrimental to our health instead of the macro-nutrients that these terrible foods happen to contain.
    Carbs are definitely part of the issue especially when it comes to weight loss. It just so happens that when you restrict carbs the foods you are left with are generally more healthy for the most part.

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    Well in a very narrow sense they are basically right. People have lost weight on an all-junk food diet (Twinkie diet, Fathead) and an all-potato diet.
    But what you are doing is eating more filling foods, which allow you to snack less and have fewer crazy cravings. This is why you are able to eat fewer calories in the long term, feel better, have more energy, and ultimately lose more weight.

    But the only real 'answer' is scoreboard, baby. Lose more weight, get healthy, then wait for them to ask YOU for advice.
    If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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    Quote Originally Posted by @lex View Post
    As more info comes out it's becoming apparent that the carbs aren't the issue,all the toxic anti-nutrients and other harmful things in grains and other modern food are the real issue.Even folks like Robb Wolf and Kurt Harris are saying that paleo is more macro-nutrient agnostic,and the real emphasis is to avoid foods that are detrimental to our health instead of the macro-nutrients that these terrible foods happen to contain.
    Well, no, they are still an important issue. Obviously we are trying to avoid those harmful substances to paint a bigger picture of overall health, but as far as fat loss is concerned, eating low-carb is a fantastic and effective way of doing that...
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    That study was seriously flawed and funded by an organization with a vested interest in the status quo (statin drug therapy pushers).. read the results. The high fat group was eating whole wheat bagels, pasta and graham crackers.. participants reported what they ate, and after 2 years carbs were equal across the groups and the difference between the high fat group and low fat group was 6 grams a day. No wonder the results didn't differ. Can't believe they touted these results as showing anything - equally disturbing is that news orgs headline the results of this study as showing anything at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitebear View Post
    Carbs are definitely part of the issue especially when it comes to weight loss. It just so happens that when you restrict carbs the foods you are left with are generally more healthy for the most part.
    No,they're not,plenty of people have lost weight eating a healthy diet without restricting carbs.As I said before,weight loss isn't the only key to good health,and above all we should be striving to be healthy in a complete sense.Carbs aren't the issue,the junk food and crap most people eat is what the problem is.Can cutting carbs help you lose weight? Absolutely,but it isn't the only way and it shouldn't be treated as such,much in the same way that carbs shouldn't be vilified as bad when humans have thrived on healthy carbs for millions of years.

    Here's an example:

    John Doe stuffs his face with processed junk food and doesn't exercise,and before he knows it he's an overweight mess with a list of health problems.So,John decides to cut out all the processed junk,eat a healthy and balanced diet of whole and natural foods,and starts exercising regularly.He achieves great results and his health improves greatly across the board.

    Now,is this because he cuts carbs,or is it because he cut out all the modern garbage,ate like a human being should eat,and didn't sit on his ass all day?

    Common sense tells you it isn't the first option.Going low carb can absolutely help in losing weight,but the carbs aren't what's making you unhealthy in the first place,and more and more people are coming to that conclusion including major players in the paleo community.

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