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    arthur: I don't think you realize how offensive your statement "most fat people choose to be fat" is. If they are not aware of how the body works - and CW makes sure that most people aren't - then deriding them for their choices which are made without the necessary information to make the right choices is unkind at best and cruel at worst. Saying they're "choosing" implies they know what the choices are. And we all know that when you're eating the SAD, not eating is just as bad for your body as eating.


    It's not a choice if it's not an informed choice. CW does everything it can to make sure that people are uninformed.


    I will be frank: I tend to cringe when I see that you've responded to me, because your responses almost always come across as if you think you are somehow superior to me because you work out and work on getting a ripped body, and I don't. You seem to think that that somehow makes me less deserving of respect than you, because right now I'm just focusing on my blood sugars and not trying to have the ripped, "normative" body that you seem to think everyone should have. I don't like responding to you because I always wonder when that attitude is going to pop up again.


    The fact of the matter is, SerialSinner is right. CW and big business work together to keep Americans ignorant of what their food choices do to their bodies. And I hate to tell you this, but you're not helping the problem by blaming the people who are being fooled.

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    I think I get it.


    I read this "Being skinny is easy to maintain once you get there... so hurry up and get down here "


    And I was definitely, inexplicably offended. I mean, we are all trying like hell. There is no hurrying to be had or convincing to be done.


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    arthur: And what amazes me the most is, you start out saying that it isn't about willpower, and that fat people aren't lazy, etc., acknowledging that the common view of fat people is fundamentally incorrect - and then you trot out the "people choose to be fat" canard. Don't you see that that is PART of the common view of fat people which is fundamentally incorrect?


    It's not a choice if you aren't aware of what the choices really are. How many people has CW bamboozled and brainwashed into believing they DO know what their choices are?


    But you know they don't, and I know they don't, and so saying "it's a choice" is offensive. Because you KNOW that they don't know what we know about nutrition and health.


    That's why I'm offended.

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    @stop_hammertime: Yes, that's exactly the point I'm trying to make here.

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    I was just saying that's how some people view significantly overweight people.


    Even by CW standards, french fries, soda and pizza are not ok if you are trying to stay in shape


    If you find yourself 20 pounds overweight, a bell should go off in your head... "hmmm, I'm doing something wrong here."


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    arthur: And the fact that it doesn't go off for most people is their fault? It sounds to me like that's what you're saying.


    I'm not going to respond to you here anymore because obviously I'm not getting through. Maybe someone else can help you understand why your responses are offensive, but I apparently can't.

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    arthur- You mean that bell...the one that has been ringing every day of my life since I was 9 years old. Yeah, I hear it loud and clear.


    Makes things harder if anything


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    Sorry man... didn't mean to offend you.


    I guess I just think people should take responsibility for themselves... and not blame Pizza Hut or the government because they are 200lbs overweight. I just don't view obese people as helpless victims.


    Sure the info out there isn't great but even CW says fast food, chips, soda and sweets are not a good choice and that's how most people end up overweight. Nevermind lack of physical activity.


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    arthur: Many people out there are unaware of how bad the carbs are for them, and many of them think that they're doing the right thing by eating pasta instead of steak. Many of them think that baked chips are okay because they're low-fat. Most of them think they ARE taking responsibility for themselves, because they've been conditioned to think that way about what they're eating. And sure, CW says "it's bad for you" but you probably have no idea how strong the push to conform and eat the same way everyone else does is for most people.


    You're being incredibly judgmental, and it's really off-putting.

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    I understand the point, Griff. I think the airline industry does have much to answer for, but not necessarily for seat size. That's something of a red herring.


    Case in point, the seats were built and measured at a time when people were generally thinner. They haven't kept up very well. Some seats are larger and roomier. First Class for instance, or even Business Class. They also cost more. To increase seat size means to fly fewer passengers, which affects their bottom dollar. In order to fly fewer passengers each trip, they will need to increase the rates exorbitantly, and people will complain about that,too.


    But again, that's a red herring we're getting stuck on. Being overweight isn't something people choose to do. Being ignorant is sometimes something people choose to do. What annoys me the most is willful ignorance - having the tools and the knowledge, and refusing to look. But that's not most people, and there are many, many factors involved. It's not just food, because the mind and emotions are often involved.

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