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    Primal pet chatter =)

    Just posting here as a spin-off from the "CW moments" thread to avoid more hijackery!

    I have a "funny CW moment" every time I get into a discussion with someone who's anti raw-food-for-pets. The first question I ask is when the last time is that their doctor told them to eat more highly processed, pre-packaged factory food for better health. There's usually a <crickets> moment, and if I'm lucky, the lightbulb flicks on ;0). For some reason, people are often willing to make that leap on behalf of their pets even if not for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by elainevdw View Post
    Ours was a rare case, but I still get paranoid about that stuff. I'm trying to figure out an inexpensive way to do raw at home without the vet getting all up in my face about salmonella and toxoplasmosis. :/ She said that stuff doesn't bother the cats with their carnivorous immune systems, but she thinks it's irresponsible regarding the humans living with the cats.
    What... the... junk? I know winencandy already pointed this out, but how does she think people accomplish feeding themselves if raw meat is a direct pipeline to disease city? Two words: "basic sanitation". We feed all our critters together in the utility room on their own mats. The cats know their food is protected when in their feeding area, but the minute they pick it up and try to run off with it, it's fair game for the dogs. The cats are very good about staying in their feeding area.
    The dogs were no problem from the start. Anything particularly sloppy gets fed outside anyway.

    If there are kids in the house, just make sure everyone knows not to allow licks/kisses for an hour or two after feeding. If there's a litter box in the house, kids are at far greater risk for toxoplasmosis exposure than in a raw feeding situation anyway. Unless you're killing and gutting your own wild or badly commercially farmed rabbits (and not following basic sanitation rules while doing it), you're not going get toxoplasmosis.
    What a weird concern. I've heard all kinds of panic over e-coli and salmonella, but... toxoplasmosis? Anyone with a cat and a litter box is at risk. Raw food has nothing to do with it, absent the rabbit killing which most people aren't doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravyboat View Post
    Seriously. My vet pushes Science Diet, which despite its marketing ploy is really not great. When my cat got a bladder infection at one point (probably from her 100% dry diet at the time; she doesn't drink much), the vet told me I should switch to Science Diet.

    Ingredients: Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken By-Product Meal, Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Chicken Liver Flavor, ...

    Uhhh, no. Thanks. "Healthy whole grains" and processed food can flip right off, both for my cats and for me.
    Funny story about SciDie: I worked in the retail pet industry right about the time that the premium pet food explosion happened. Up until that point, SD was pretty much the only premium pet food on the market. Then a bunch of others came along, Iams and Eukanuba were early big players and both made a pretty good name for themselves as better alternatives. Then, Iams got sold to Proctor and Gamble who promptly revamped the formula to make it cheaper to sell at Wal-Mart and grocery stores. They tripled the amount of corn, went from meat meal to wet-weight meats (further reducing the total volume of meat in the finished product), and basically all-around crapified it.

    This new, super-cheap grocery store version of Iams? Very nearly identical to Science Diet's maintenance formula.


    Quote Originally Posted by sires6 View Post
    We feed grain free as dogs only get minimal grain in the wild (stomach contents of animals). But I do know the passion for this is similar to the passion in people over Primal/CW.
    It's been a while since I was doing a lot of active research into wild canid nutrition, but I think it's true that wolves don't actually eat the stomach content of large prey animals. They pull the stomach out, open it up, and shake the contents out before eating the stomach itself. If I'm trusting my memory correctly, that comes from L. David Mech, who isn't a raw food proponent, just a wolf biologist.
    In any case, the actual grain content would be slim to none. Wild ungulates may eat wild grains, but they're eating far more of the stalk and grasses than the grain itself. Of course they'd get the whole stomach if they're eating rabbits, rats, etc, but in that case the grain content would likely be even less.

    I'm a real geek about raw feeding. All the animals in our house get biologically appropriate, whole-foods diets. It's a bit of a PITA at first, but once you get into the swing of things, it's cheaper than premium packaged foods and doesn't really take any extra effort. And I can't remember the last time we were at the vet for any reason.
    Like someone else said, I'm amazed it took me so long to make the connection to my own feeding patterns and needs.
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