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    In my initial post I stated that I have an issue with all forms of sodium medically.

    The second part where I mention salt is a response to being asked if I had a different response due to the differences in standard table salt and natural salts such as sea salt without additives...

    In my comment I was using the common reference for sodium chloride... All "salt" (as the common term as used on food we eat) is NaCl. And I added that the difference is that natural Pink Himalayan and Grey sea salts (I think I have some Hawaiian black salt too etc) have the bonus of minerals, and lack the "silly additives". The "lack silly additives" part is a direct reference to common processed table salt... which I do not, and never have used. In my family we have always used either pure pickling salt or kosher salt... not sea salt, but no additives either(depends on brand these days). In my own house now I use bare minimums of Pink Himalayan, Grey and maybe Black sea salts... and I have some Reef Crystals too! (For a reef of course.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    The Trolls like PoopBird & her flock will still swoop in to infect it. I have reported Trolls in the past and moderators seem to do nothing.

    I have a better idea. All of us who are serious about iodine move over to the Curezone. The moderators over there will NOT tolerate Trolls. They get kicked off the board on their 1st whiney, nit picking, crying post, IMO, Poopbird and her Flock of Trolls could not survive one day at the Curezone.
    Grizz
    Seriously, Grizz, grow up. Poopbird?
    I wouldn't waste my time over at the curezone because it is an echo chamber where preconceived beliefs reinforce each other with no questioning allowed. Go ahead Grizz, you are "safe" from us nasty "trolls" there who actually want to discuss both sides of the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    You are reported again ! Lets hope the administrator revokes your membership for being INSULTING, RUDE and a WiseGuy.
    IMO, the administrator needs to start revoking a lot of memberships to eliminate all the RUDENESS that has taken over in this board.
    Grizz
    The guy who uses language like Poopbird is bemoaning insulting rude behavior. Hypocritical much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    It is the trolls who are rude, insulting, demeaning and acting like little children. The rest of us in this thread try to keep high standards.
    I will also not be bringing any more research into this thread. All future research will be reported at the Curezone:
    Grizz
    You and your "high standards" have fun over there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkward View Post
    This thread is for people who actually want to have a balanced discussion about iodine supplementation. It's not and never has been your personal Dr. Brownstein cult thread.
    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by joe2.0 View Post
    I would vote for deletion. The reason why paleobird, breadsauce, cori and several others were needed here was to provide some desperately needed balance. Calling them trolls for providing that necessary balance is just another example of how far out of whack this thread has gotten.

    The thing that concerns me where this thread has gone is that it's essentially a health forum and many people come here in a desperate state of mind looking for answers. Those folk are the one's that really require the "trolls" to come in here and point out that there is some potential danger to what is being represented with Iodine in this thread. This thread runs counter in my mind to Mark's measured, researched and balanced approach and really paints the entire forum in a bad light. Whack this thread and since Grizz etc. are leaving (yeah right) for the curezone utopia, perhaps a more sensible and balanced iodine thread can get going and stand on its own.
    I agree but I would vote against deletion. I think this thread can be very informative and productive.
    Contrary to what Grizz would have you believe, those who are questioning the merits of mega dosing on iodine are doing so because we actually care about the health and safety of others. This is not something I do for giggles. (Although sometimes Grizz and his rants are really good for a laugh.)

    Let's see how things develop now that the messiah and his faithful have decamped to other playgrounds. I think this thread can be very useful again.
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    Oxide, no one here is being accused of being a troll because of trying iodine and having a problem with it. The issue is respect for each other and the words and tone used. Saying Curezone can't be trusted is ridiculous.

    The iodine naysayers are saying they don't believe in taking large doses, and therefore, no one else should either. They think that large doses are dangerous until proven otherwise by a random, double blind, blah blah study. Which no one will do, because there's no money to be made from iodine, a non-prescription item.
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    It's exactly the above tone of Paleobird that is the problem. No one drips more sarcasm than she does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxide View Post
    I find this extremely disturbing. EXTREMELY.

    What if someone on Curezone tried an N=1 iodine protocol, and for some reason it didn't work for them, and they came back and say it didn't work? Would Curezone call them a "troll" and ban them? (Because, Grizz, this is exactly what you are threatening here.)

    If that's what they do, then no wonder Curezone is full of success stories... because they filter out all the failures! Purposely hiding negative results, and then claiming that the positive results are "research," is dangerous, immoral, and possibly illegal. Haven't Pharma companies been sued for stuff like this?

    Based on this comment alone, Curezone cannot be trusted.
    An astute observation from a scientific mind. I have always appreciated your approach to things, Oxide.

    Quote Originally Posted by oxide View Post
    Note that Cori says "sodium," not salt. Note the the medical journal article says "sodium intake," not salt.
    They know that there is confusion in the vocabulary. So, again, I ask you: Are you referring to the "salt" as in the chemical formula NaCl, or the common usage of "salt" as the mixture of stuff evaporated from the ocean?

    Apparently the magic hoo-ha sea salters have real trouble with this. But until you make that distinction, your salt posts cannot be trusted.

    Wildwabbit, if you really want to be play at nitpicking, the chemical term "salt" refers to ANY nonorganic ionic compound, where the ions could be atomic or compounds. For example, magnesium nitrate is chemically, a salt. It doesn't have to be a chloride or even a halide. (I didn't want to get that detailed in the discussion.)

    I am NOT asking that you leave the fillers out! I am asking that you actually USE to term "filler," or "mineral" or "dextrose," or "NaCl." If the fillers are causing problem, fine. But SAY that "the fillers IN Morton salt" are causing problems. Don't say just "salt." Salt is a MIXTURE, and we don't know which component in the mixture that you are referring to.


    Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
    In my initial post I stated that I have an issue with all forms of sodium medically.

    The second part where I mention salt is a response to being asked if I had a different response due to the differences in standard table salt and natural salts such as sea salt without additives...

    In my comment I was using the common reference for sodium chloride... All "salt" (as the common term as used on food we eat) is NaCl. And I added that the difference is that natural Pink Himalayan and Grey sea salts (I think I have some Hawaiian black salt too etc) have the bonus of minerals, and lack the "silly additives". The "lack silly additives" part is a direct reference to common processed table salt... which I do not, and never have used. In my family we have always used either pure pickling salt or kosher salt... not sea salt, but no additives either(depends on brand these days).
    Cook's Thesaurus: Salt
    Interesting discussion about salt. It is important that we get the terminology right.
    The Sea Tangle kelp noodles' only "salt" is sodium alginate which, according to many raw food sites, is really good at detoxing heavy metals out of your system. I don't know if that is true or not. Oxide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
    In my initial post I stated that I have an issue with all forms of sodium medically.

    The second part where I mention salt is a response to being asked if I had a different response due to the differences in standard table salt and natural salts such as sea salt without additives...

    In my comment I was using the common reference for sodium chloride... All "salt" (as the common term as used on food we eat) is NaCl. And I added that the difference is that natural Pink Himalayan and Grey sea salts (I think I have some Hawaiian black salt too etc) have the bonus of minerals, and lack the "silly additives". The "lack silly additives" part is a direct reference to common processed table salt... which I do not, and never have used. In my family we have always used either pure pickling salt or kosher salt... not sea salt, but no additives either(depends on brand these days). In my own house now I use bare minimums of Pink Himalayan, Grey and maybe Black sea salts... and I have some Reef Crystals too! (For a reef of course.)
    Cook's Thesaurus: Salt

    He mentions both as he points out himself. I know the difference between salt and sodium and am aware that salts can be made of different compounds. I may not know them all but I'm aware of Potassium Chloride and some others.

    I thought he was pretty clear that the sodium is his medical issue and not fillers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owl View Post
    It's exactly the above tone of Paleobird that is the problem. No one drips more sarcasm than she does.
    Except maybe Grizz and his "Poopbird" "they are all TROLLS" comments... ?

    All I've done in this thread is present evidence in this thread for those who want to read it, along side the rest of the other info, that supports the alternate idea that lower levels of iodine supplementation are healthy and sufficient, and points out that more isn't always better.
    It's like Vitamin A, you NEED it... but there is such thing as too much. Especially when it comes to taking it in unnatural, concentrated, pill form.
    That's my position, and I've used scientific journal articles to back it up...
    Just like Grizz and others believe in the "Brownstein Potocol", though they don't back it up with science very well, and generally are reduced to shouting "Troll" when asked to...

    It's a public forum of shared opinion, we all have a place here.
    I don't know why some people need to feel so stressed about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiken3712 View Post
    He mentions both as he points out himself. I know the difference between salt and sodium and am aware that salts can be made of different compounds. I may not know them all but I'm aware of Potassium Chloride and some others.

    I thought he was pretty clear that the sodium is his medical issue and not fillers.
    Yeah, sorry about that... I was trying to clear up Wildwabbit's issue with my post.
    I figure If a person thinks I'm not being specific enough I can at least try to explain why I was just using the common use of the word.


    Also... I am insanely jealous when I see people eating salty things...
    It's like a taboo!
    But then if I try and taste just one small piece/bite, I'm so sensitive to 'salt' taste now that it feels like my mouth is burning from it.
    Oh, but I have some really fond memories of salty snacks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owl View Post
    It's exactly the above tone of Paleobird that is the problem. No one drips more sarcasm than she does.
    Wait, you looked at that post and came away thinking that PaleoBird's tone is the problem? Did you not see the posts from Grizz that she was responding to? Is Grizz supposed to be able to say whatever, and no one is to respond? This is truly bizarro world.

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    Oh, cori, you probably couldn't eat these SeaSnax that I got recently. That sucks. I love salty things too. When you get all this cleared up, you should try them. They have 40mg sodium per pack.

    The Sea Tangle noodles have 35mg per serving (and the serving size is realistic).

    Just how restricted does your diet need to be? Did the doctors give you a particular number to stay under?

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