Iodine Anyone? page 409

[Owl]

I would vote for deletion. The reason why paleobird, breadsauce, cori and several others were needed here was to provide some desperately needed balance. Calling them trolls for providing that necessary balance is just another example of how far out of whack this thread has gone.

Why in the world would you want this thread deleted? There is a lot of good info here. I am not against intelligent discussion of any dangers if iodine, but the above mentioned people have not provided it. They have been sarcastic and vitriolic, with no respect for someone of a different point of view. I happen to be of the belief that conventional medicine has failed us, and we must try something different. This whole forum is about the same thing. Does Mark think grains in moderation are healthy? That's what most doctors believe. Mark goes against conventional wisdom on a regular basis. As Grizz has said over and over, there is no consensus on iodine. We are our own guinea pigs. We know that much higher levels of iodine were ingested in the past, and doctors used iodine much more freely to cure ailments and prevent infection before antibiotics. And we now are injesting much more bromine and fluoride than people did a century ago. Upping the amount of iodine we take above the RDA is not a crackpot idea.

[Grizz]

Thanks, Grizz. I did some experimentation, and took 2 non-consecutive days this week off of iodine. The next days (Thursday and Sunday, respectively), my innate contentment was back! So I am back to the level that I was increasing before for the last 2 months - an 8th of a drop a week. I felt GREAT the whole time that I was maintaining that level of increase. I thought I could step it up a little bit now that I finally made it to 1 whole drop, but I guess not. I'd rather take it slow and have my mood be stable than try to ramp up more quickly. Maybe in a few months when I've detoxed out some more toxins I'll be able to increase a bit more quickly, but obviously not now!

Thanks for the link about the salt, I'll give it a read! Luckily I have no issues with drinking salt water. I used to do the Master Cleanse, which called for a salt water flush every morning! That's 32 oz. of water with 2 tsp. of salt! What's recommended for supplementing with iodine is nothing compared to that!

One question I had though - the only info. I can find about salt supplementation on the breastcancerchoices.org site is for the salt flush protocol - 1/4 tsp. of salt in 1/2 cup of warm water, followed by 12-16 ounces of water. Is this what's recommended for daily salt intake as well?

HappyPaleoGirl,

I am thrilled this is working for you !

Yes the Dr. Brownstein protocol calls for he following:
- - ˝ tsp Natural Celtic Salt, Himalayan Pink Salt, Redmonds Salt or Hawaiin black salt
- - - If the sea salt is pure white, it is unacceptable (minerals have been stripped out )
- - 200 mcg selenium (L-selenomethionine preferred)
- - 400 mg Magnesium - Glycinate preferred
- - 2,000mg Vitamin C - Ester-C preferred - do not take with iodine
- - ATP Cofactors caplet contains both 100mg B2 & 500mg B3 non-flushing in the correct ratio. Take 1/2 caplet with iodine up to 25mg, then one caplet for each 50 mg iodine,

In addition, the following:
* In addition to the daily ˝ teaspoon of natural sea salt taken with vitamins every day, if severe detox symptoms occur, we should also do the Salt Loading Protocol “Salt Flush.”
˝ tsp of Natural Sea Salt is dissolved in 1/2 cup warm water, followed immediately with 12-16 oz pure water. Repeat every 30-45 minutes until copious urination begins.
* Repeat each day for up to 3 days if required to clear detox symptoms
* or go back to a lower dose that was problem free and pulse dose.
* Why the salt flush ? ?
Pulse Dosing to clear the kidneys

Pulse dosing of iodine has often helped our participants with detox symptoms: taking a 48 hour break from iodine supplementation as needed seems to enhance the kidneys' ability to excrete bromide and other toxins.

Complete details here:
http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

PS) BEWARE OF FLUORIDATED SALT ! Read the labels.
The powers that be are not content fluoridating water, toothpaste, bottled water, baby water, and a slew of priducts. Now they are adding fluoride to salt.
A Pinch of Fluoride in Salt?
http://dutchpatriot.wordpress.com/20...to-table-salt/

PS) You ( and other members ) can reach me for further questions at my new address at the Curezone.
Iodine Supplementation Support Forum by VWT Team, Page 265, Vulcanel, Wombat & Trapper/kcmo:
I am no longer posting research here at MDA.

Grizz

[cori93437]

In my initial post I stated that I have an issue with all forms of sodium medically.

The second part where I mention salt is a response to being asked if I had a different response due to the differences in standard table salt and natural salts such as sea salt without additives...

In my comment I was using the common reference for sodium chloride... All "salt" (as the common term as used on food we eat) is NaCl. And I added that the difference is that natural Pink Himalayan and Grey sea salts (I think I have some Hawaiian black salt too etc) have the bonus of minerals, and lack the "silly additives". The "lack silly additives" part is a direct reference to common processed table salt... which I do not, and never have used. In my family we have always used either pure pickling salt or kosher salt... not sea salt, but no additives either(depends on brand these days). In my own house now I use bare minimums of Pink Himalayan, Grey and maybe Black sea salts... and I have some Reef Crystals too! (For a reef of course.)
Cook's Thesaurus: Salt

[Paleobird]

The Trolls like PoopBird & her flock will still swoop in to infect it. I have reported Trolls in the past and moderators seem to do nothing.

I have a better idea. All of us who are serious about iodine move over to the Curezone. The moderators over there will NOT tolerate Trolls. They get kicked off the board on their 1st whiney, nit picking, crying post, IMO, Poopbird and her Flock of Trolls could not survive one day at the Curezone.
Grizz

Seriously, Grizz, grow up. Poopbird?
I wouldn't waste my time over at the curezone because it is an echo chamber where preconceived beliefs reinforce each other with no questioning allowed. Go ahead Grizz, you are "safe" from us nasty "trolls" there who actually want to discuss both sides of the issue.

You are reported again ! Lets hope the administrator revokes your membership for being INSULTING, RUDE and a WiseGuy.
IMO, the administrator needs to start revoking a lot of memberships to eliminate all the RUDENESS that has taken over in this board.
Grizz

The guy who uses language like Poopbird is bemoaning insulting rude behavior. Hypocritical much?

It is the trolls who are rude, insulting, demeaning and acting like little children. The rest of us in this thread try to keep high standards.
I will also not be bringing any more research into this thread. All future research will be reported at the Curezone:
Grizz

You and your "high standards" have fun over there.

This thread is for people who actually want to have a balanced discussion about iodine supplementation. It's not and never has been your personal Dr. Brownstein cult thread.

Thank you.

I would vote for deletion. The reason why paleobird, breadsauce, cori and several others were needed here was to provide some desperately needed balance. Calling them trolls for providing that necessary balance is just another example of how far out of whack this thread has gotten.

The thing that concerns me where this thread has gone is that it's essentially a health forum and many people come here in a desperate state of mind looking for answers. Those folk are the one's that really require the "trolls" to come in here and point out that there is some potential danger to what is being represented with Iodine in this thread. This thread runs counter in my mind to Mark's measured, researched and balanced approach and really paints the entire forum in a bad light. Whack this thread and since Grizz etc. are leaving (yeah right) for the curezone utopia, perhaps a more sensible and balanced iodine thread can get going and stand on its own.

I agree but I would vote against deletion. I think this thread can be very informative and productive.
Contrary to what Grizz would have you believe, those who are questioning the merits of mega dosing on iodine are doing so because we actually care about the health and safety of others. This is not something I do for giggles. (Although sometimes Grizz and his rants are really good for a laugh.)

Let's see how things develop now that the messiah and his faithful have decamped to other playgrounds. I think this thread can be very useful again.

[Owl]

Oxide, no one here is being accused of being a troll because of trying iodine and having a problem with it. The issue is respect for each other and the words and tone used. Saying Curezone can't be trusted is ridiculous.

The iodine naysayers are saying they don't believe in taking large doses, and therefore, no one else should either. They think that large doses are dangerous until proven otherwise by a random, double blind, blah blah study. Which no one will do, because there's no money to be made from iodine, a non-prescription item.

[Owl]

It's exactly the above tone of Paleobird that is the problem. No one drips more sarcasm than she does.

[Paleobird]

I find this extremely disturbing. EXTREMELY.

What if someone on Curezone tried an N=1 iodine protocol, and for some reason it didn't work for them, and they came back and say it didn't work? Would Curezone call them a "troll" and ban them? (Because, Grizz, this is exactly what you are threatening here.)

If that's what they do, then no wonder Curezone is full of success stories... because they filter out all the failures! Purposely hiding negative results, and then claiming that the positive results are "research," is dangerous, immoral, and possibly illegal. Haven't Pharma companies been sued for stuff like this?

Based on this comment alone, Curezone cannot be trusted.

An astute observation from a scientific mind. I have always appreciated your approach to things, Oxide.

Note that Cori says "sodium," not salt. Note the the medical journal article says "sodium intake," not salt.
They know that there is confusion in the vocabulary. So, again, I ask you: Are you referring to the "salt" as in the chemical formula NaCl, or the common usage of "salt" as the mixture of stuff evaporated from the ocean?

Apparently the magic hoo-ha sea salters have real trouble with this. But until you make that distinction, your salt posts cannot be trusted.

Wildwabbit, if you really want to be play at nitpicking, the chemical term "salt" refers to ANY nonorganic ionic compound, where the ions could be atomic or compounds. For example, magnesium nitrate is chemically, a salt. It doesn't have to be a chloride or even a halide. (I didn't want to get that detailed in the discussion.)

I am NOT asking that you leave the fillers out! I am asking that you actually USE to term "filler," or "mineral" or "dextrose," or "NaCl." If the fillers are causing problem, fine. But SAY that "the fillers IN Morton salt" are causing problems. Don't say just "salt." Salt is a MIXTURE, and we don't know which component in the mixture that you are referring to.

In my initial post I stated that I have an issue with all forms of sodium medically.

The second part where I mention salt is a response to being asked if I had a different response due to the differences in standard table salt and natural salts such as sea salt without additives...

In my comment I was using the common reference for sodium chloride... All "salt" (as the common term as used on food we eat) is NaCl. And I added that the difference is that natural Pink Himalayan and Grey sea salts (I think I have some Hawaiian black salt too etc) have the bonus of minerals, and lack the "silly additives". The "lack silly additives" part is a direct reference to common processed table salt... which I do not, and never have used. In my family we have always used either pure pickling salt or kosher salt... not sea salt, but no additives either(depends on brand these days).
Cook's Thesaurus: Salt

Interesting discussion about salt. It is important that we get the terminology right.
The Sea Tangle kelp noodles' only "salt" is sodium alginate which, according to many raw food sites, is really good at detoxing heavy metals out of your system. I don't know if that is true or not. Oxide?

[Raiken3712]

In my initial post I stated that I have an issue with all forms of sodium medically.

The second part where I mention salt is a response to being asked if I had a different response due to the differences in standard table salt and natural salts such as sea salt without additives...

In my comment I was using the common reference for sodium chloride... All "salt" (as the common term as used on food we eat) is NaCl. And I added that the difference is that natural Pink Himalayan and Grey sea salts (I think I have some Hawaiian black salt too etc) have the bonus of minerals, and lack the "silly additives". The "lack silly additives" part is a direct reference to common processed table salt... which I do not, and never have used. In my family we have always used either pure pickling salt or kosher salt... not sea salt, but no additives either(depends on brand these days). In my own house now I use bare minimums of Pink Himalayan, Grey and maybe Black sea salts... and I have some Reef Crystals too! (For a reef of course.)
Cook's Thesaurus: Salt

He mentions both as he points out himself. I know the difference between salt and sodium and am aware that salts can be made of different compounds. I may not know them all but I'm aware of Potassium Chloride and some others.

I thought he was pretty clear that the sodium is his medical issue and not fillers.

[cori93437]

It's exactly the above tone of Paleobird that is the problem. No one drips more sarcasm than she does.

Except maybe Grizz and his "Poopbird" "they are all TROLLS" comments... ?

All I've done in this thread is present evidence in this thread for those who want to read it, along side the rest of the other info, that supports the alternate idea that lower levels of iodine supplementation are healthy and sufficient, and points out that more isn't always better.
It's like Vitamin A, you NEED it... but there is such thing as too much. Especially when it comes to taking it in unnatural, concentrated, pill form.
That's my position, and I've used scientific journal articles to back it up...
Just like Grizz and others believe in the "Brownstein Potocol", though they don't back it up with science very well, and generally are reduced to shouting "Troll" when asked to...

It's a public forum of shared opinion, we all have a place here.
I don't know why some people need to feel so stressed about it.

[cori93437]

He mentions both as he points out himself. I know the difference between salt and sodium and am aware that salts can be made of different compounds. I may not know them all but I'm aware of Potassium Chloride and some others.

I thought he was pretty clear that the sodium is his medical issue and not fillers.

Yeah, sorry about that... I was trying to clear up Wildwabbit's issue with my post.
I figure If a person thinks I'm not being specific enough I can at least try to explain why I was just using the common use of the word.


Also... I am insanely jealous when I see people eating salty things...
It's like a taboo!
But then if I try and taste just one small piece/bite, I'm so sensitive to 'salt' taste now that it feels like my mouth is burning from it.
Oh, but I have some really fond memories of salty snacks!