Iodine Anyone? page 408

[cori93437]

He really needs to edit posts when people point out that they are wrong....in the comments section someone says he made a conversion error it was supposed to be .5 kg which equals about 1 lb. I'll admit his writing style sucks at times...but I think the information is mostly good. I'm not sure sodium in seafood...if not processed seafood would cause you issues?

Maybe you have already tried eating more seafood and had issues? I'm just wondering because from what I've heard people using table salt can have issues while those using unrefined salt like Real Salt, Celtic Sea Salt, Or Himalalyan. Salt when unrefined has trace minerals and things...its not just the Sodium Chloride. Salt when in the natural body of a fish may not cause issues that too much processed sodium/salt would.

That being said....you should take any changes slow even if this may apply. What kind of doctor are you seeing?
Paleo Physicians Network
I like this list of doctors as they believe in Paleo and are holistic...are supposed to be people who look for causes of symptoms and deal with them rather than just treating symptoms.

Also if you have eaten more seafood and the issue caused sickness...due to too much sodium...was the fish processed at all? I got a pre-seasoned bag of Salmon and it contained Canola oil and spices.....spices could mean MSG or salt or whatever and if they used salt it was refined for sure. So even if you get fish you have to watch for added refined salt.

I have a serious brain pressure problem... any type of sodium causes fluid retention producing major problems.
The biggest seafood issue is with mollusks and crustaceans... those are just naturally higher in sodium even if you can find them completely unprocessed (Which is darn near impossible for shrimp, scallops, and squid, much to my dismay.)

Fish isn't such a problem since I'm in FL and can get fresh, wild caught, pretty easily... but due to the medical problems I cannot drive... so I don't get to the fresh fish market very often.
Sea veg are also naturally high in sodium...

As far as salt types... all salt is sodium chloride, some just has the benefit of having the extra minerals in it, and leaving out silly the additives.
For the tiny, minimal about of salt that I do use... not much as I get most of my sodium intake naturally from food... I do use either Pink Himalayan or Grey sea salt. I only use that if my daily intake from foods is very low... and then only a very small pinch.
I'm not supposed to consume any other type of sodium either such as baking soda, msg, etc.

I have to be very careful to not eat anything pre-seasoned and packaged, or "dipped" as they do with seafood (sodium tripolyphosphate).

Hopefully I will get it resolved soon... I've been at this a year, been to some crappy docs, but have some good ones now... and will probably have a corrective surgery soon. (Just saw my Neurosurgeon today.)
After that... I'm hoping my plate will be more open to the stuff I really want to eat! Fresh seafood has been sorely missed by me for a while now.

I also think that getting more iodine from natural foods makes sense... if you eat seafoods and sea veg there is no need to take a bunch of supplements along with the Iodine... it's already in there!

Right now, since I have such a low salt intake and low seafood intake (basically zero iodine source in my diet) I supplement a moderately low amount of Lugols. 1, sometimes 2 drops of 5% Lugols per week in water that I take a little swig of daily. Mostly one drop per week... but on occasion two drops have landed in the cup because I'm unsteady and I just went with it.

[Happy Paleo Girl]

YES ! IMO, 1.5mg more a week is a lot of iodine if you are extremely toxic. You might want to increase your daily salt intake and your salt flushing intervals. I have just discovered this valuable information re: Why salt flushes out bromides. You might want to study this in depth to see if it will help you.
- - - If you can’t tolerate salt, then mix it into Lemonade

I would slow it down to adding 1.5mg per month, or pulse dosing with the salt flush whenever you notice a problem.

Grizz

Thanks, Grizz. I did some experimentation, and took 2 non-consecutive days this week off of iodine. The next days (Thursday and Sunday, respectively), my innate contentment was back! So I am back to the level that I was increasing before for the last 2 months - an 8th of a drop a week. I felt GREAT the whole time that I was maintaining that level of increase. I thought I could step it up a little bit now that I finally made it to 1 whole drop, but I guess not. I'd rather take it slow and have my mood be stable than try to ramp up more quickly. Maybe in a few months when I've detoxed out some more toxins I'll be able to increase a bit more quickly, but obviously not now!

Thanks for the link about the salt, I'll give it a read! Luckily I have no issues with drinking salt water. I used to do the Master Cleanse, which called for a salt water flush every morning! That's 32 oz. of water with 2 tsp. of salt! What's recommended for supplementing with iodine is nothing compared to that!

One question I had though - the only info. I can find about salt supplementation on the breastcancerchoices.org site is for the salt flush protocol - 1/4 tsp. of salt in 1/2 cup of warm water, followed by 12-16 ounces of water. Is this what's recommended for daily salt intake as well?

[wildwabbit]

Anyone that says all salt is the same really doesn't know what is in "salt" particularly "table salt".

"Table salt" includes generous quantities of processed fillers such as dextrose or silicon dioxide for anti-caking agents. If you are lucky. Some salt comes with a anti-caking agent derived from, containing, cyanide.

[Raiken3712]

@cori93437 I'm glad you've found some good doctors than as tons out there are sadly either just interested in money or don't have a clue about what the causes are and don't know how to find out so they just give you a pill. Good luck.

[cori93437]

Anyone that says all salt is the same really doesn't know what is in "salt" particularly "table salt".

"Table salt" includes generous quantities of processed fillers such as dextrose or silicon dioxide for anti-caking agents. If you are lucky. Some salt comes with a anti-caking agent derived from, containing, cyanide.

As far as salt types... all salt is sodium chloride, some just has the benefit of having the extra minerals in it, and leaving out silly the additives.
That would be natural Pink or Sea salts with "the benefit of having minerals", and processed table salt with "silly [] additives" that the natural salts leave out....

So I already said what you said to correct me, but thanks.

@cori93437 I'm glad you've found some good doctors than as tons out there are sadly either just interested in money or don't have a clue about what the causes are and don't know how to find out so they just give you a pill. Good luck.

Thanks...
Believe me, I had a few that seriously just looked at me blankly, said "I really don't know, but hey... try these pills".
When that happened I immediately fired them and found a new doctor. It took a few of those before I found some docs who were really interested in putting the puzzle pieces together. They diagnosed me pretty quickly and are seeking a good solution that returns my quality of life.

[Raiken3712]

Anyone that says all salt is the same really doesn't know what is in "salt" particularly "table salt".

"Table salt" includes generous quantities of processed fillers such as dextrose or silicon dioxide for anti-caking agents. If you are lucky. Some salt comes with a anti-caking agent derived from, containing, cyanide.

I don't think he would be using Himalayan salt if he wasn't aware its not "the same" I think he was referring to the fact that it still has a good amount of sodium which is what his main issue is with seafood and in particular Shellfish in his uncommon or unique case. I can see where someone could have a unique or uncommon problem that may not be the same as others.

I've heard some had issues with blood pressure with regular table salt and no problem at all with Real Salt but that may not apply to everyone in every instance. If you think you have a good doctor than its best to stick with it for now. Hopefully that surgery will turn out well and you can eat your fill of good seafood after.

[Raiken3712]

As far as salt types... all salt is sodium chloride, some just has the benefit of having the extra minerals in it, and leaving out silly the additives.
That would be natural Pink or Sea salts with "the benefit of having minerals", and processed table salt with "silly [] additives" that the natural salts leave out....

So I already said what you said to correct me, but thanks.

Lol I didn't even think to point out that you mentioned how table salt is different in your own post...oh well.

[oxide]

Before anyone deletes the thread, I MUST comment on this:

I have a better idea. All of us who are serious about iodine move over to the Curezone. The moderators over there will NOT tolerate Trolls. They get kicked off the board on their 1st whiney, Grizz

I find this extremely disturbing. EXTREMELY.

What if someone on Curezone tried an N=1 iodine protocol, and for some reason it didn't work for them, and they came back and say it didn't work? Would Curezone call them a "troll" and ban them? (Because, Grizz, this is exactly what you are threatening here.)

If that's what they do, then no wonder Curezone is full of success stories... because they filter out all the failures! Purposely hiding negative results, and then claiming that the positive results are "research," is dangerous, immoral, and possibly illegal. Haven't Pharma companies been sued for stuff like this?

Based on this comment alone, Curezone cannot be trusted.

Nor am I sure that putting in the disclaimer to take supplements -- as Grizz often does -- is sufficient.

[wildwabbit]

As far as salt types... all salt is sodium chloride, some just has the benefit of having the extra minerals in it, and leaving out silly the additives.

Well if you really want to play at nit picking...

"salt" is a chemical term that includes way more than NaCL. KCl and MgCl are also "salt".
If you refer to "table salt" it is still inaccurate to merely talk about the "NaCl" portion because of all the other crap in it DOES have an impact on people. In fact, people need to be thinking about just how those fillers affect them. Granted some people are truly sensitive to NaCl, but others are sensitive to the fillers.

You can't leave the fillers out of the discussion as if they don't matter. They are "processed" crap that affects the body.

[oxide]

Lol I didn't even think to point out that you mentioned how table salt is different in your own post...oh well.

Note that Cori says "sodium," not salt. Note the the medical journal article says "sodium intake," not salt.
They know that there is confusion in the vocabulary. So, again, I ask you: Are you referring to the "salt" as in the chemical formula NaCl, or the common usage of "salt" as the mixture of stuff evaporated from the ocean?

Apparently the magic hoo-ha sea salters have real trouble with this. But until you make that distinction, your salt posts cannot be trusted.

Wildwabbit, if you really want to be play at nitpicking, the chemical term "salt" refers to ANY nonorganic ionic compound, where the ions could be atomic or compounds. For example, magnesium nitrate is chemically, a salt. It doesn't have to be a chloride or even a halide. (I didn't want to get that detailed in the discussion.)

I am NOT asking that you leave the fillers out! I am asking that you actually USE to term "filler," or "mineral" or "dextrose," or "NaCl." If the fillers are causing problem, fine. But SAY that "the fillers IN Morton salt" are causing problems. Don't say just "salt." Salt is a MIXTURE, and we don't know which component in the mixture that you are referring to.