Iodine Anyone? page 391

[Grizz]

2004 USDA National Fluoride Database of Selected Beverages and Foods

Good luck getting rid of fluorides in your food supply-
You will need a LOT of luck:
avoidance of fluoride in food (good luck) at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1967529)

The actual USDA database

Grizz

[Paleobird]

It took Google only 1 second to find this doc, and you could have done it yourself, but instead you COMPLAIN. There are also thousands more documents in the list on the subject of "excess iodine is excreted."
Grizz

[The next couple of lines from the same doc] "People with a tendency toward autoimmune thyroid disease are less tolerant of excess iodine. If a person has previously been iodine-deficient, that person may be at risk for iodine-induced hyperthyroidism. Excessive iodine intake by a mother can pose a reproductive risk."

From the top of your iodine references document: "90% of America is severely iodine deficient". So, most people are iodine-deficient, therefore most people "may be at risk for iodine-induced hyperthyroidism" according to the document you quoted. Yet you chose not to include that bit, even though it followed on from the bit you did quote & is very relevant. I think that speaks volumes. Any objectivity you had on this topic has completely gone.

Grizz doesn't seem to want to address how successful small doses can obviously be. And with no need to take masses of cofactors on such small amounts.

As I'm on Grizz's ignore list, perhaps someone could point this out to him? He really needs to address this and explain the apparent paradox, as he is determined to peddle the mega dose Brownstein protocol as being the one, the only and the essential "protocol" for everyone.

My (new) endo is willing to monitor me and 'hold my thyroid-hand' if I choose to supplement with iodine but we are both in agreement that a gentler protocol is the way to go for me at first if I decide to explore that path. I'm still not convinced this high-dose w/cofactors isn't too dramatic and potentially harmful (for me) or even unnecessary especially when I'm (now) eating real, clean food instead of processed and losing so much weight.

My Dr has twice reduced the dosage of my thyroid med... but solely due to changes in lifestyle and subsequent & continual weightloss. If I'd started with other extra supplementation or self experiments at the same time, I would not have known what has been causing the continuing spontaneous remissions/improvements of my conditions.

Those confounded confounding variables again!

I was intrigued by the iodine skin test, and found that mine lasted far longer than three minutes - longer the three hours, actually. So I felt I didn't need the mega doses being promoted here, and also felt that, unless someone had a specific condition caused by iodine deficiency, the big doses could well be toxic to many people.

I'm sure that a low dose of iodine is better than none - and almost certainly better than too much! I cannot believe that excess is simply removed in urine. A quick google search produces lots of sites which state that it can be toxic in large doses, and I'd rather believe scientists than someone on a thread like this who has some distinctly questionable beliefs himself.

Yes, Dr Brownstein saying that there is a CRISIS doesn't make this a problem that you necessarily have.

After reading more input from people you are calling "trolls' in this thread, I'm extremely glad I didn't drink the high-dose iodine kool-aide and jump straight into it like I almost did. The more I read the more I'm inclined to believe my own 'protocol' is the safest and most effective way to get iodine now that I don't use iodized salt. It's written on the back of my kelp tablet bottle "take 2 tablets per day with or before meals".

If I had only read his reply to my question about the long term dangers that said "the excess just gets excreted" I would assume there's no such thing as iodine poisoning or dangers to high dosages.

And what makes this an excellent article??? There is no scientific content to this list of bodily parts - just an assertion. Or several assertions.
No, another randomly grabbed site to support a hypothesis that I am becoming progressively more wary of.
So glad that I didn't start on mega doses as I was tempted to - BELIEVING that someone had actually researched the info that was being put out.

Like all sups, I think if you take them at all, take small amounts unless there is a sound clinical reason to take larger doses - like some of the cases on here.

Why this insistence on the word protocol? Is it to make things sound more important - a bit stronger than "recommends"?

(I know Grizz can't see this - fortunately, I'm on his "Ignore" list - there is something so relaxing knowing that I'm not going to get a response full of capital letters, bolded letters and "Kappish"s". )

Yes, Grizz insists on calling my healthy diet that includes seafood and sea veggies "The Dr. Kruse Protocol". Hah. I was eating this way back when Jack Kruse was still fat.
It is nice to be on his "ignore" list isn't it?

The not-so-good news is that I started to notice my temperatures staying high during times in my cycle when they should be low. Along with that I had tiny red skin spots on my forearms that started me worrying about skin cancer. This was not a detox reaction because it never receded like the other detoxes I experienced. I decided I needed to stop the iodine temporarily and see if my temps and skin went back to normal. The skin is still healing but is much better. My temps are back to normal. I was up to 50mg.

I think I just can't handle that much iodine. I found a thread on Curezone about forearm lesions that no one could really solve and now I'm wondering if that is a sign of iodine overload. Anyway, it was for me. I'm going to take the iodine urine loading test soon and figure out how much iodoral I'm going to continue with.

Sensible plan. Get tested first, then supplement cautiously.

tiny red skin spots are typically Cherry Angiomas.
Grizz

"Tiny red spots" could be any number of things from insect bites to allergic reactions to cancer. Or maybe it's an iodine overdose. Since when did you graduate from medical school Grizz?

When I was severely deficient in iodine ( skin patch test disappeared in only 3 minutes) I ordered 2 large boxes of seaweed snacks from Amazon.Com. When they arrived, I could not stop eating them & I ate 6 packages one right after the other ! My body was just craving the seaweed snacks. Sea Gift brand & Annie Chun's brand of Roasted Seaweed Snacks.
Grizz

They are yummy but read the labels carefully. I don't know about Sea Gift but IIRC Annie Chun's are made with canola oil. Also look out for MSG and preservatives. I was pleased to find that the Seasnax brand was clean.

Maybe somebody could tell Grizz this since I am on the official out of favor with the High and Mighty list.

[Grizz]

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Q) Long time lurker coming up with a question about salting....
Some background, I've been following the high Iodine protocol via Breast Cancer choices, with the standard supps for the past two plus years, due to fibroids, hypothyroid, systemic issues, and long term mercury damage. I had 34+ Amalgam fillings removed (yes, practically every tooth!) and I'm 44 rounds into ALA only Cutler**. Last year I replaced the 150mg iodoral with SSKI, averaging 15 drops a day. I take selenium, Vit B, magnesium. Good news, boobs don't hurt anymore, ultrasounds show the inoperable fibroids are utterly gone! only one ovarian cyst left, still hypo, but still deranged transport...

Just recently, though, I have a problem with salt loading. Even from the start, I couldn't stand the taste of salt in water, so I put salt in capsules and would take two at a time as a salt load. Been working great for well over a year. Recently, when I take the salt, I throw up.

I want to salt load, because as I go through the ALA rounds, I revisit bromide dumping, and the headaches feel so much like they are bromine-driven. Any suggestions? What gives?

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A) Great update; keep it up until the rest is gone.
"Been working great for well over a year. Recently, when I take the salt, I throw up."
-for me that is a sign of to much in one go; the body reject it.
Your body is wise, follow it :-)
Magnesium chloride (mag oil)is an option for the bromide detox; this can be taken transdermally or as a supplement or both.
In addition to salting your food deliberately.
Trouble with salt loading at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1966262)

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http://recoveringnicholas.com/2009/0...tion-protocol/

Grizz

[jaye]

tiny red skin spots are typically Cherry Angiomas.



Does this look like your condition?

The BAD NEWS is that these little devils are very difficult to get rid of. The article describes a few procedures to get rid of them, so let us know if these procedures work. I have one of these on my chest, and I can say that applying Lugols 5% iodine directly does NOT get rid of it.

Grizz

Hey Grizz. Nope They aren't cherry angiomas. Mine are not bright red but redder than the surrounding skin, wrinkled in appearance but small - maybe an 1/8" across, the older layer of skin peels off of them so there is a thin circle of dry skin around each one. They did not go away with pulsing doses or salt flushes like all my other detox symptoms.

[Grizz]

Hey Grizz. Nope They aren't cherry angiomas. Mine are not bright red but redder than the surrounding skin, wrinkled in appearance but small - maybe an 1/8" across, the older layer of skin peels off of them so there is a thin circle of dry skin around each one. They did not go away with pulsing doses or salt flushes like all my other detox symptoms.

This slideshow may help you identify your skin problem.
Skin Pictures Slideshow: Adult Skin Problems on MedicineNet.com

Grizz

[sidewinder]

They are yummy but read the labels carefully. I don't know about Sea Gift but IIRC Annie Chun's are made with canola oil. Also look out for MSG and preservatives. I was pleased to find that the Seasnax brand was clean.

Good call. Sea Gift is sesame oil and Annie Chun's is both sesame and canola.

[cori93437]

2004 USDA National Fluoride Database of Selected Beverages and Foods

Good luck getting rid of fluorides in your food supply-
You will need a LOT of luck:
avoidance of fluoride in food (good luck) at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1967529)

The actual USDA database

Grizz

I know that I've spoken to this before but it bears repeating...
There are different types of Flouride.
Processed products are going to contain added flouride. That can be bad.

But natural foods (vegetables, fruits, meat) get the flouride in them from natural calcium flouride from the soil.
Yes, there may be some residual flouride on the surface of produce from it being washed, but you can wash that off yourself in water that is not fluoridated or chlorinated...
The majority of flouride in natural foods is there from natural cal flouride in the soils because farmers do not use treated water that they have to PAY the city for to irrigate, nor to water farm animals.

Naturally occurring cal flouride should not be a concern.
We evolved consuming it right along side of naturally occurring bromine and iodine.

[jaye]

This slideshow may help you identify your skin problem.
Skin Pictures Slideshow: Adult Skin Problems on MedicineNet.com

Grizz

Thanks Grizz. I had already found that slideshow a while ago and none of them fit. I found this thread on curezone Thread: Spots on forearms - Help! at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (ThreadID: 1164881) I have not been able to find pictures of iodermia (sp?).

[Paleobird]

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@Gwynn,

K2 removes calcium from the arteries and soft tissue. Also it is produced in the testes, pancreas and arterial walls. Coumadin, plavix, and a daily regimen of aspirin depletes one’s K1 which never gets a chance to be converted to K2. It works in sync for those, who supplement D3. Doesn’t hurt to have some magnesium in the picture too as D3 likes magnesium too.

I described my first experience with K2 mk4 on Curezone a few years ago.

I had been taking Iodine, D3 and magnesium taurate at the time I started with 15 MILLIgrams of K2 mk4. Wow! My sinuses were clearer than I remember them ever being in my lifetime. I could actually lay my head flat on the bed and "breathe" through both sinuses!

I know. I know Some will blast me on my next description. But don't knock it if you haven't tried it...
My gums and teeth felt like glassy velvet. But within 25 minutes I achieved a teenage woody that only an early pee run to the toilet would relieve. (I am not trying to be funny), I am trying to describe what I felt. After a few days the libido effect waned and I had to reduce the K2 down to 5 MILLIgrams a day to re-establish super libido. I just do 1 milligram with a teaspoon of coconut oil 3 times a day now. (The coconut oil or olive oil helps the K2 to absorb better). Many ladies report how smooth their facial skin feels, when starting K2, and how it helps them to sleep.

Vitamin K2, MK-4, is used to carboxylate MGP proteins that do the calcium scavenging in arteries and soft tissues. It also seriously boosts the building of stronger bones and reduces fracture rates without making dramatic increases in BMD measurements. Taking more Vitamin D3 also increases the amount of calcium handling proteins requiring more Vitamin K2. There is research in progress to qualify Vitamin D toxicity as actually due to under carboxylation of the MGP and other proteins.
There is some debate about which is better mk4 or mk7. Some folks choose to do both and that is fine. I personally have taken both and I like mk4 best.

P.S. I take 3 tablespoons a day of coconut oil, now to try to get my HDL higher.

t2t

Hi t2t,

I'm behind on my thread reading right now, so my apologies if you've already answered this elsewhere, but what brand of K2 do you take? I have been taking Green's Pasture's Blue Ice Royal Butter Oil/Fermented Cod Liver Oil blend for awhile now, and haven't noticed a difference in the feeling of either my teeth or skin. I was thinking that maybe I should be taking the products separately, as the blend only has 1/3rd butter oil, which is where the K2 is. I'm wondering if I'm missing out on the benefits. I also stopped taking krill oil since I'm getting the fermented cod liver oil.
What do you think?

Thanks!