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[Grizz]

OSHA REPORT ON BROMIDE POISONING
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Damn this is as SCARY as Hell. And they put THIS into bread & inhalers????

Many thanks to Paraboy at the CureZone for this report:

Effects on Humans: Bromine is corrosive to the eyes, skin, mucous membranes, and respiratory tract in humans.
Eye contact can result in severe, painful, and destructive burns of the eyes [Sinig 1985; AIHA 19781. Brief contact of
the skin with liquid bromine causes vesicles and pustules, and prolonged contact leads to deep, painful burns that
ulcerate and are slow to heal [Sittig 1985; Clayton and Clayton 19811. Repeated contact of the skin with bromine
in liquid or vapor form may cause dermatitis and halogenacne [Rom 1983; Deichmann and Gerarde 19691. Inhalation
of airborne concentrations below 1 ppm causes tearing of the eyes; exposure to 4 ppm can be tolerated for only 30 to
60 min, 10 ppm induces respiratory damage and is considered immediately dangerous to life or health; and 30 ppm
would cause death in a short time [Clayton and Clayton 1981; NIOSH 1987b; NLM 19921. Acute nonlethal exposures can
also induce coughing, nosebleed, feelings of oppression, dizziness, headache, and delayed onset of abdominal pain
and measles-like dermal eruptions [NLM 19921. Pulmonary edema may occur after several hours, and high concentrations
can cause death from corrosive bums of the lung [Parmeggiani 1983; Sittig 19851. The inhalation LCb in humans is 1,000 ppm NOSH 19911. The lowest lethal oral dose is estimated to be 14 mgFg [NIOSH 19911. Ingestion of the liquid produces corrosive tissue burns, mouth and esophageal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, shock (hypotension, tachycardia, cyanosis), headache, dizziness, delirium, collapse, and stupor. Death can result from glottic or pulmonary edema or aspiration pneumonia. Survivors can develop esophageal and ~ l o r i c stenoses [NLM 19921. Regular exposure to 0.3 to 0.6 ppm for 1 year has induced headache, heart-area chest pain, irritability, anorexia, joint pain, and dyspepsia. Continued exposure for 5 to 6 years can cause loss of corneal reflexes, pharyngitis, vegetative disorders, thyroid hyperplasia and dysfunction, cardiovascular disorders (myocardial degeneration and hypotension), digestive tract secretory disorders, and inhibition of leucopoiesis and
leucocytosis [NLM 19921.

Signs and symptoms of exposure
1. Acute exposure: Acute. exposure to bromine can cause irritation or corrosion of contacted tissues, tearing, corneal
clouding, dizziness, headache, pulmonary edema, dyspnea, nosebleeds, coughing, bronchopneumonia, central nervous
system disturbances, abdominal pain, diarrhea, altered conditioned reflexes, delirium, collapse, and death. Survivors of
ingestion incidents can develop esophageal and pyloric stenoses.

2. Chronic exposure: Chronic exposure to bromine can cause contact irritation, slow healing, painful acne-like skin
eruptions, headache, heart pain, irritability, anorexia, joint pain, dyspepsia, loss of corneal reflexes, pharyngitis, vegetative
disorders, thyroid dysfunction, and cardiovascular and a digestive disorders.
Toxic effects of bromine in humans at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1967047)
MUCH more here:
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/81-123/pdfs/0064-rev.pdf

Grizz

[Grizz]

Iodide – One Mineral Can Help A Myriad Of Conditions From Atherosclerosis To “COPD” to Zits

Many thanks to Newport at the Curezone for this excellent article.

The article won't fit into our 2,000 character limit.

Here is the link to CureZone:

Iodide – One Mineral Can Help A Myriad Of Conditions From Atherosclerosis To “COPD” to Zits
by Dr. Jonathan V. Wright, MD
Iodide – One Mineral Can Help A Myriad Of Conditions From Atherosclerosis To “COPD” to Zits at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1967211)

Grizz

[cori93437]

Something a few pages back sparked my interest...
The relationship between Brownstein and Abraham, and the mention of the fact that Abrahams is making money off of promoting iodine(not a negative in and of itself, but a point of interest).
It appears that Abraham was first on the iodine front, after a period of promoting another mineral pretty heavily(Magnesium).
I have been wary of Brownstein previously for some of his misuse of context with cited sources, and the fact that Abraham's name appears so often on the same documents raised flags for me as well...

So... I did a little digging.
Not a ton at this point as I'm pretty sick today... but,
Both Abraham AND Brownstein are paid "research doctors" for VRP, Vitamin Research Products.
Along with another doctor, Dr. Flechas, who also appears on some of their documents.

Dr. Abraham produces Idoral under trademark via Opitmox of course...

However, I went through the list of other 'research doctors' there.
Dr. Mitchell A. Fleisher has a few copywrited vitamin/mineral natural formulas as well...
As does Dr. Tim Guilford...
And Dr. Eric Hassid.
I didn't check out the ND's... I figured the trend with just the MD's was strong enough.

Here is a link to their "Meet the Doctors" page... http://www.vrp.com/meet-the-doctors
*Note: the message with the picture of the generic 'smiling friendly doctor people' picture on the right as you scroll down a bit...
"Meet VRP's Team of Doctors!"
(pic here)
"Curious about the brilliant minds
behind our scientific formulas?"

Anyway, what I found on that site (and via other googling) was this.
These 'good' doctors are basically getting PAID to promote supplements.
All of them, including Brownstein.
Both their own protected proprietary supplements, the proprietary supplements of the other 'research' doctors, and the general supplements sold by the company that are 'better' that the competitions generic supplements.

This is a bunch of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours hornswaggle.
I equate this type of behavior from Doctors to those other 'Doctors' who pimp themselves out on late night infomercials selling miracle weight-loss supplements and 'make your penis bigger' libido pills.
The crazy thing is that those late night infomercial doctors ARE Doctors... just like ambulance chasers are Lawyers.
They just have no morals.
Brownstein and Abraham tarnish their own reputations by resorting to this sort of behavior.
It's truly disgusting and disturbing IMO.

[Paleobird]

I read the rebuttals. Was no one else surprised to read this??:
Rebuttal: Gaby editorial on iodine (October 2005)

<creationist young earther rational for using mega doses of iodine>

by Guy E. Abraham, MD and David Brownstein, MD,
and not think "Seriously?"

Whoa. Thanks for this.
I don't know who to believe any more!

Thanks for pointing this out - can't take Abrahams and Brownstein seriously now!

Everyone has the right to their own religious beliefs but if they are basing the reason for taking iodine on a belief system I don't subscribe to, it makes me question. why do you need religious faith to justify taking iodine? Can't you make your case on the science?

Indeed, so much for evidence based science. The bit that really stood out though was "Guy E. Abraham, M.D. is the owner of the company that developed and distributes Iodoral". That would explain why the ATP Cofactors are the only allowed form of Vit. B under the protocol, what with them being made by the same company.

Which isn't to say we shouldn't be supplementing with iodine, but you can't take anything Brownstein says at face value, given his association with the person who stands to gain the most financially from everyone taking lots of iodine.

Follow the money.

Iodine is a completely harmless substance?. So I can drink 5 bottles of iodine and it's totally fine it will just pass out in my urine with zero risk? Making reckless claims like that that could potentially influence newbies that could be reading this thread is pretty irresponsible, imo.

There's lots of things that can be harmless or even beneficial short term that could even cause things tumors or cancer 20 years down the line. I can understand people taking the risk in certain situations where they have nothing to lose and have exhausted all other options, but from threads I've seen you seem to be recommending high dose iodine to everyone for basically anything and everything.

Yes, my BSometer goes off if any one substance has a laundry list of all of the ailments of mankind that it purports to "cure".

Iodine can cause significant side effects in some people. Common side effects include nausea and stomach pain, runny nose, headache, metallic taste, and diarrhea.

In sensitive people, iodine can cause side effects including swelling of the lips and face (angioedema), severe bleeding and bruising, fever, joint pain, lymph node enlargement, allergic reactions including hives, and death.

Large amounts or long-term use of iodine are POSSIBLY UNSAFE. Adults should avoid prolonged use of doses higher than 1100 mcg per day (the upper tolerable limit, UL) without proper medical supervision. In children, doses should not exceed 200 mcg per day for children 1 to 3 years old, 300 mcg per day for children 4 to 8 years old, 600 mcg per day for children 9 to 13 years old, and 900 mcg per day for adolescents. These are the upper tolerable limits (UL).

In both children and adults, there is concern that higher intake can increase the risk of side effects such as thyroid problems. Iodine in larger amounts can cause metallic taste, soreness of teeth and gums, burning in mouth and throat, increased saliva, throat inflammation, stomach upset, diarrhea, wasting, depression, skin problems, and many other side effects.
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“High-dose iodine therapy is of great value in some circumstances. We should not forget, however, that this treatment was abandoned in the past, because it caused many deaths from heart failure,

Please speak with your physician prior to taking any high dose iodine supplementation, especially if you are suffering from an autoimmune disease such as Hashimoto’s, as the iodine may actually cause a severe immune reaction and even destruction of the thyroid gland.
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I think for the overall healthy person, taking high doses is taking needless risks.

There's actually quite a bit of research (and I mean real scientific research, not forum posts or random websites) that illustrates significant risks from chronically elevated iodine doses. While iodine deficiency is not good either, it's a case where while some is beneficial, more is not necessarily so. I'm concerned when people say things like "well, I take a lot of it and feel fine" because long-term toxicity can take a while to emerge.

It is vitally important to be aware that taking too much of something beneficial can become harmful. Long-term high doses of iodine may cause significant and potentially irreversible health problems, including permanent damage to the thyroid.

Thank you Owly and breadsauce.

And here we have it - you are recommending that people take the amount recommended by Dr Brownstein - 50 mg daily. Mega dose. Daily.
The recommendations that I have read and feel safe with is no more than 1.1 mg, daily. Or about 7.7 per week. And yes, it is from a Doctor who recommends this.

50mg is a mega-dose of iodine by accepted standards. The standard upper daily limit recommended by most sources is 1100mcg, or 1.1mg. Even when you look at iodine doses consumed in some places such as Japan where food source iodine intake is much higher, we see intakes of 1-3mg per day by the most recent research results (Assessment of Japanese iodine intake based on seaweed consumption in Japan: A literature-based analysis).

I am wary of any protocol that would suggest dietary intakes vastly beyond what is found in a normal human diet even in a high-iodine region.

I am far more confident in the results of numerous controlled studies published in credible journals than I am in one internet doctor's advice.

And you don't just pee out excess iodine. Iodine toxicity is real, and its symptoms can look very much like the "iodine detox" symptoms discussed on this thread. I worry that people are overdosing on iodine and then being led to believe that their symptoms are a sign that they're getting healthier when the "detox" is actually evidence of real harm being done to the body.

Here's a sensible alternative: take .5 to 1mg daily depending on the iodine level in your diet, or better, add additional iodine-containing foods such as seafood and seaweeds since we are all at least supposedly interested in a whole-foods diet around here. I don't need an elaborate protocol to do that--my doctor is absolutely supportive of eating more fish for your health.

Don't let a shouty man on a forum bully you into taking large doses of something just because one internet doctor says so.

I don't take any prescription without thorough research of my own into the potential effects and an assessment of whether I am comfortable with those risks. I suggest anyone considering any "iodine protocol" do the same.

My advice is to newbees - consult your doctor (an actual personal doctor face-to-face who's in a position to be diagnosing you and checking your medical background, not an online doctor you have never met who is in no position to be diagnosing you of anything) before considering high dosages way over the generally accepted tolerable and safe amount. Until then don't put your health into the hands of online doctors selling iodine supplements because this stuff can have serious and chronic side effects and shouldn't be haphazardly experimented with. If you aren't getting any dietary iodine take some kelp tablets like I do or other small dosages because high dosages can not only be extremely risky short term, but the long term effects seem to be unknown.
I could easily see some easily influenced people who are new to this lifestyle who might start these iodine supplement protocols simply because they think that's what everyone on this forum is doing. Without knowing their medical background it could have disastrous health consequences for some.

From what I have read - and it is on the links that I have provided - a dose as low as 500 mcg daily will saturate the thyroid within a couple of weeks and then gradually replace the other halides in the body with iodine. So yes, it will work, and without taking risks with my health.

Incidentally, your habit of writing things in huge letters, bold, is effectively yelling and ranting. Not polite - you are irritating LOTS of people on this thread and I think it is time you learned to stop this trolling behaviour.

And this is an IODINE thread - not a Brownstein thread - so everyone is allowed to state their opinion, which carries equal weight. It doesn't mean that they a troll - or complaining.

For those of you who are not on a coastline but wanting a little taste of the ocean, these are really yummy
seasnax.com
They are crunchy seaweed munchies (the only oil involved is olive and no chemicals). Very tasty.

[Hoss2626]

From the link from Grizz's post above, an interesting paragraph:

"Too much iodine for too long can suppress thyroid function. Many of the uses described for SSKI in the accompanying article are short-term, from a few days or less to a week or two. If SSKI is then stopped, there’s almost no chance of significant thyroid suppression. However, if SSKI is to be used for two to three weeks or longer, and especially if it’s to be used continuously (for example, COPD or cholesterol-related atherosclerosis) monitoring thyroid function is very important. To find a physician near you who can help order and interpret thyroid function tests contact Meridian Valley Lab."

He goes on to say that "nine drops or less" he has rarely seen this problem. Not sure what a drop means here.

[Paleobird]

Both Abraham AND Brownstein are paid "research doctors" for VRP, Vitamin Research Products.
Along with another doctor, Dr. Flechas, who also appears on some of their documents.

Dr. Abraham produces Idoral under trademark via Opitmox of course...

Anyway, what I found on that site was this.
These good doctos are basically getting paid to promote supplements.
Both their own protected proprietary supplements, the proprietary supplements of the other 'research' doctors, and the general supplements sold by the company that are 'better' that the competitions generic supplements.

This is a bunch of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours hornswaggle.
I equate this type of behavior from Doctors to those other 'Doctors' who pimp themselves out on late night infomercials selling miracle weight-loss supplements and 'make your penis bigger' libido pills.
The crazy thing is that those late night infomercial doctors ARE Doctors... just like ambulance chasers are Lawyers.
They just have no morals.
Brownstein and Abraham tarnish their own reputations by resorting to this sort of behavior.
It's truly disgusting and disturbing IMO.

Yes, it is. And anyone who believes their word as gospel needs a dose of .........YOU!

I think I'll patent your sensible research and advice and put it in a bottle. I'll split the profits with you, OK? I am a real live doctor (ok, the university kind not the medical kind) so I can claim Dr. Paleobird's patented anti-gullibility formula.

I hope you're feeling better soon. Hugs.

[Grizz]

From the link from Grizz's post above, an interesting paragraph:

"Too much iodine for too long can suppress thyroid function. Many of the uses described for SSKI in the accompanying article are short-term, from a few days or less to a week or two. If SSKI is then stopped, there’s almost no chance of significant thyroid suppression. However, if SSKI is to be used for two to three weeks or longer, and especially if it’s to be used continuously (for example, COPD or cholesterol-related atherosclerosis) monitoring thyroid function is very important. To find a physician near you who can help order and interpret thyroid function tests contact Meridian Valley Lab."

He goes on to say that "nine drops or less" he has rarely seen this problem. Not sure what a drop means here.

Hoss,

We don't take SSKI. SSKI = Super Saturated Iodide.

We take Lugols or Iodoral which contains Iodide.

Big difference between SSKI and KI

Grizz

[Grizz]

Something a few pages back sparked my interest...
The relationship between Brownstein and Abraham, and the mention of the fact that Abrahams is making money off of promoting iodine(not a negative in and of itself, but a point of interest).
It appears that Abraham was first on the iodine front, after a period of promoting another mineral pretty heavily(Magnesium).
I have been wary of Brownstein previously for some of his misuse of context with cited sources, and the fact that Abraham's name appears so often on the same documents raised flags for me as well...

So... I did a little digging.
Not a ton at this point as I'm pretty sick today... but,
Both Abraham AND Brownstein are paid "research doctors" for VRP, Vitamin Research Products.
Along with another doctor, Dr. Flechas, who also appears on some of their documents.

Dr. Abraham produces Idoral under trademark via Opitmox of course...

However, I went through the list of other 'research doctors' there.
Dr. Mitchell A. Fleisher has a few copywrited vitamin/mineral natural formulas as well...
As does Dr. Tim Guilford...
And Dr. Eric Hassid.
I didn't check out the ND's... I figured the trend with just the MD's was strong enough.

Here is a link to their "Meet the Doctors" page... Meet The Doctors
*Note: the message with the picture of the generic 'smiling friendly doctor people' picture on the right as you scroll down a bit... "Meet VRP's Team of Doctors!"
(pic here)
"Curious about the brilliant minds
behind our scientific formulas?"

Anyway, what I found on that site was this.
These doctos are basically getting PAID to promote supplements.
All of them, including Brownstein.
Both their own protected proprietary supplements, the proprietary supplements of the other 'research' doctors, and the general supplements sold by the company that are 'better' that the competitions generic supplements.

This is a bunch of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours hornswaggle.
I equate this type of behavior from Doctors to those other 'Doctors' who pimp themselves out on late night infomercials selling miracle weight-loss supplements and 'make your penis bigger' libido pills.
The crazy thing is that those late night infomercial doctors ARE Doctors... just like ambulance chasers are Lawyers.
They just have no morals.
Brownstein and Abraham tarnish their own reputations by resorting to this sort of behavior.
It's truly disgusting and disturbing IMO.

Cori is CRYING and COMPLAINING again. When are you going to stop FLAMING this message thread?

Grizz

[Paleobird]

Cori is CRYING and COMPLAINING again.
Grizz

No, she is speaking the truth again and like Jack Nicholsen said, "You can't handle the truth".

[breadsauce]

Hoss,



I think the Nit Pickers are all LIBERALS. The Hallmark of a LIBERAL is they demand that everyone do it THEIR way.



Isn't it FUN?

Grizz

And isn't this just perfect irony!!! The only one on this entire thread who demands that everyone does things their way is ----- GRIZZ !! A LIBERAL then - if ever I saw one.

Grow up, Grizz!!!