Iodine Anyone? page 367

[Grizz]

6,000+ people at the Yahoo Iodine Group and thousands of others at the CureZone Iodine Group follow the Dr. Brownstein protocol. So do I.

If y'all want to take iodine, you should do it under a doctor's protocol. You pick whatever doctor you want. I don't care one iota which doctor you follow.

Or make up your own protocol at your own risk. Let us hear which protocol you chose and why.

Bottom line, every cell in your body needs iodine to be healthy, so do your own research and pick whatever suits you.

Grizz

[cori93437]

You did what you were abusing Grizz of doing, looking up more data from the internet. I have built my own webpages, does that make my data any more or less accurate? I don't think you can tell either way. No where on the page are cites. Then you ask me to verify your data. Hrumph.

On the first list of descriptions, I found this:

dermoid cyst a teratoma, usually benign, characterized by mature ectodermal elements, having a fibrous wall lined with stratified epithelium, and containing keratinous material, hair, and sometimes material such as bone, tooth, or nerve tissue; found most often in the ovary.

Which leads me to believe that a cyst may become malignant. What, that you write should I believe?

LJ

Apples and oranges.
The cysts of FBD do not become cancer. That is very clear based on reliable cited scientific research.

Teratomas are a different thing all together... several different things in fact since there is more than one type of teratoma.
Medscape: Medscape Access

[ljbprrfmof]

The cysts of FBD do not become cancer. That is very clear based on reliable cited scientific research.

And your cites, Cori? They are cites for your link but your 'reliable scientific research' only has the adjective of being cited.

LJ

[magicmerl]

Dr. Brownstein has done all of that. See the details in Iodine References:
http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

Grizz

Ok, I've read through that document. It's fairly weighty, so I won't pretend to have memorised it.

If I understand the document correctly, 100mg/day is the point at which the document recommends you should consult with your doctor.

And a quick google turns up this article (published here) found that

So the findings suggest that people -- at least in China -- should get no more than 800 micrograms a day, according to the researchers, led by Wanqi Zhang of Tianjin Medical University.

That's different from what's recommended in the U.S., where National Institutes of Health guidelines say the safe upper limit for adults is 1,100 micrograms of iodine per day.

<snip>

The current findings are based on 256 healthy adults who had normal thyroid when they entered the study. Zhang's team, which did not respond to requests for comment, randomly assigned them to take one of 12 doses of supplemental iodine -- anywhere from 0 to 2,000 micrograms per day, for four weeks.

Of the people who took 400 micrograms, 5 percent developed subclinical hypothyroidism. And the numbers rose in tandem with the iodine dose: Of people on the highest dose (2,000 micrograms per day), 47 percent developed subclinical hypothyroidism.

"These are interesting data," Pearce said, "because we don't have a lot of information on iodine excess."

Subclinical hypothyroidism has no obvious symptoms, but studies have linked it to an increased risk of heart disease over the long term, Pearce noted.

That's comparing 400 micrograms (from the journal article) with 100,000 micrograms (from Grizz's iodine reference).

Is subclinical hypothyroidism something that we should not be worried about?

Edit: I see you know about it. Not sure that I see anything that passes for a 'rebuttal' of it however. Could you please copy/paste it or link me to it?

[DuhPrincess]

Quick question: How much iodine/iodide is in each drop of Lugol's 5% (approximately)?? Someone asked me and I just don't know since I use the Iodoral. I use Lugols topically for everything else (lumps on the dog, bites, deep scratches etc).

[lizzychan5]

Quick question: How much iodine/iodide is in each drop of Lugol's 5% (approximately)?? Someone asked me and I just don't know since I use the Iodoral. I use Lugols topically for everything else (lumps on the dog, bites, deep scratches etc).

Lugol's 5% = Iodine 2.5 mg, Iodide 3.75 mg = 6.25 mgs total per drop
Lugol's 2% = Iodine 1.0 mg, Iodide 1.5 mg = 2.5 mgs total per drop

(info taken from "The Guide to Supplementing with Iodine" by Stephanie Buist ND HC)

[cori93437]

And your cites, Cori? They are cites for your link but your 'reliable scientific research' only has the adjective of being cited.

LJ

It was posted earlier... which was what I was pointing out. The cites were in the link to the scientific journal articles that I posted, as they should be. Easy to find for further investigation if one wishes.

The site with info on teratomas is littered with cites... all you have to do to see the list of source materials and look them up to read the full text is to click on the little numbers at the ends of the sentences. That's how cites are done.

[breadsauce]

Paleobird,
Nobody cares about your stupid medical texts. If the medical texts were so good, then doctors would not be insisting on mastectomies to cure Fibrocystic Breasts when a $16 bottle of iodine cures the condition, would they?

Grizz

Actually, I care about Paleobird's medical texts - usually properly researched and therefore very much more valid than anecdote.

My concerns about pushing these very high levels of iodine intake - and from many of the anecdotal "cures" that you have reported, Grizz, it appears that SHORT TERM high dosage use has improved health for some people - I worry that LONG TERM use will undermine health - possibly severely.

And I don't care about the Brownstein protocol at all - I prefer the more measured approach of Dr Gaby.

And please stop calling people who disagree with you trolls - cori, paleobird, radial head etc could just as easily (and justifiably) accuse you of troll activity.

[t2t]

I had two previous heart attacks with the 2nd one causing me to lose over 60% of my heart muscle, leaving me with an Ejection Fracture of 25%. I searched forever to find something to help me too FEEL better. Iodine was it. I started out slowly and worked my way up to over 100 MILLIgrams daily for over 4 years, approaching 5 years now. I even went up to over 500 milligrams a day for two months too cure my bleeding ulcers. I had the pylori bacteria. I have gotten blood work every 3 months for most of those years checking my TSH levels which has remained at 1.37 give or take a tenth. It was iniatially less than .30 indicating I was Hyperthyroid before I started IODINE. But I started my selenomethionine shortly after the iodine. And of course the D3, and K2 mk4 were lifechanging for me too. Only in recent times have I started the Cofactors and they do make me feel a little better.

So I wonder if the Chinese study included selenomethionine, especially selenomethionine which protects the thyroid when going to the larger doses?

And does the fact that I have a weaker heart pump than normal make my taking larger doses all this time, unique for me versus one with a normal heart which would dis-clude me from this study?

There are other Factors to consider before subclinical hypothyroidism is treated. It is considered a very mild form.

Sub-Clinical Hypothyroidism - To Treat or Not? - Thyroid Problems: Information About Thyroid Disease, Hypothyroidism, Hyperthyroidism and Thyroid Disorders on MedicineNet.com

So if one tries iodine supplication, small or large, bloodwork to check for overall thyroid health is paramount. I don't know all the answers for everyone but I know what works for me.

t2t

[ljbprrfmof]

It was posted earlier... which was what I was pointing out. The cites were in the link to the scientific journal articles that I posted, as they should be. Easy to find for further investigation if one wishes.

The site with info on teratomas is littered with cites... all you have to do to see the list of source materials and look them up to read the full text is to click on the little numbers at the ends of the sentences. That's how cites are done.

My bad. Thank you.

LJ