Iodine Anyone? page 359

[Radialhead]

So Radialhead,

Do you think that fruits, vegetables, edible plants of any kind uptake fluoride when sprayed with fluorinated water? Forget about charts, studies. Yes or No?

I would think they probably do, and I've never said otherwise. Whether some/all is absorbed by the root system, or broken down by the plant, or by harvesting/processing, I know not.

Do I think your government are deliberately putting fluoride into food to control the population? Err... no.

[cori93437]

Perhaps the Japanese women should be scolded for taking in so much iodine?

A.) Japanese people do not "take" iodine. They consume it in natural foods as a part of their diet. This is very different than taking a supplement pill. As with vitamins... it is hard to absorb too much from dietary foods, but high dose pills can cause problems pretty fast for people.

B.) As was pointed out previously, some statements on the internet that are not backed up by any scientific data have greatly inflated the amount of iodine in the daily diet of Japanese people.
"Japanese iodine intake from edible seaweeds is amongst the highest in the world. Predicting the type and amount of seaweed the Japanese consume is difficult due to day-to-day meal variation and dietary differences between generations and regions. In addition, iodine content varies considerably between seaweed species, with cooking and/or processing having an influence on iodine content. Due to all these factors, researchers frequently overestimate, or underestimate, Japanese iodine intake from seaweeds, which results in misleading and potentially dangerous diet and supplementation recommendations for people aiming to achieve the same health benefits seen by the Japanese. By combining information from dietary records, food surveys, urine iodine analysis (both spot and 24-hour samples) and seaweed iodine content, we estimate that the Japanese iodine intake--largely from seaweeds--averages 1,000-3,000 μg/day (1-3 mg/day)." Assessment of Japanese iodine intake based on seaweed consumption in Japan: A literature-based analysis

Perhaps U.S. doctors should quit painting up to several ounces of Betadine (contains 1% iodine) on patients before surgery.
130 milligrams of potassium iodide a day, for several days, is given to people in a nuclear event to protect their thyroids from the radioactive iodine 131. Shouldn’t this large amount of iodide(iodine) be horrible on the thyroid? No selenomethionine is given either!

Using an iodine preparation to sanitize the skin for surgery is not something that happens to a person every day. The comparison is simply ridiculous. For most people it might happen a few times over the course of their entire lives. This application is simply NOT a cause of chronic over exposure of the thyroid to large amounts of iodine. Some of that iodine will be absorbed through the skin, some will simply be washed away. Also, it's a matter of the action of the product used...

"commonly-used low concentration, slow release iodophors improve healing rates and are effective as highly potent antimicrobials with a broad spectrum of activity, including antibiotic-resistant strains such as MRSA."
Also... elemental iodine, which can be toxic, is not being used to paint the skin to prep for surgery, "Iodophors were developed in the 1950s to overcome the side effects associated with elemental iodine. These were found to be safer and less painful, but just as effective as elemental iodine, allowing widespread use.
Bonding iodine with another molecule makes it less toxic and instead of high concentrations of iodine being released in a single application, the iodine is slowly released from the reservoir carrier molecule over a sustained period of time.
Iodophors are preparations that bind iodine to a solubilising agent or carrier. The water-soluble complex allows the slow release of a low concentration of free iodine when the carrier comes into contact with wound exudate. This controlled release of low concentrations of iodine helps to minimise the negative side effects of using free elemental iodine."
Iodine Made Easy (page 1 of 4) › Made Easys › May Vol 2 Issue 2 › Wounds International

This excerpt, is from the scientific article I posted previously... as you can see it's potassium iodide that is more important in this case, not iodine. Iodine is actually what is being prevented from entering the thyroid by using large doses of iodide.
"Radiation-induced thyroid cancer
Nuclear accidents can release radioactive iodine into the environment, increasing the risk of thyroid cancer in exposed individuals, especially children [55,56]. Thyroidal uptake of radioactive iodine is higher in people with iodine deficiency than in people with iodine sufficiency. For this reason, iodine-deficient individuals have a particularly high risk of developing radiation-induced thyroid cancer when exposed to radioactive iodine.
The FDA has approved potassium iodide as a thyroid-blocking agent to reduce the risk of thyroid cancer in radiation emergencies involving the release of radioactive iodine [55]. The FDA recommends that exposed people take a daily pharmacological dose (16–130 mg potassium iodide, depending on age) until the risk of significant radiation exposure ends [55,56]. Potassium iodide was widely used in Poland following the 1986 Chernobyl accident and childhood thyroid cancer rates did not increase substantially in subsequent years [57]. In areas where iodide prophylaxis was not used, such as Belarus and Ukraine, where many children were mildly iodine-deficient, the incidence of thyroid cancer sharply increased among children and adolescents [55]."
Iodine — Health Professional Fact Sheet

The potassium iodide is purposefully given in large doses so that it immediately blocks all the thyroid receptors. In a case where nuclear radiation is of concern bombing the thyroid for the short term for an emergency situation is simply a lower health risk than not treating and allowing the cancers to happen.

Much larger amounts of iodine taken with selenomethionine cured my hyperthyroidism and higher amounts cured both my handicapped daughters and wife’s' hypothyroidism. I have blood work that proves it. But just 3 people having gotten great results is not a real STUDY. But in my world I am happy with larger amounts of iodine and I am also happy if other people only need smaller amounts to help them stay healthy.

I'd like to point out that I'm not saying that a higher dose is never warranted or safe, though I do disagree with the size of a safe "high" dosage. Even in short term, for correction of a genuinely diagnosed problem and not just a 'guess' based on a list of vague symptoms, I personally do not believe that more than a single Idoral (12.5mg) per day could be warranted as that is nearly the bodies entire store of iodine in one shot, and that given time all doses exceeding basic need will balance a person who is defficient. As usual that's up to personal preference. But I would think that some sense of the needs of the human body should be respected...

I would hate to see people taking large doses over long periods of time who end up doing more harm than good. Once a body is restored to balance it really should take much LESS for maintenance... like way back down to that 1mg per day range. And the evidence for causing thyroid damage due to prolonged high doses is strong in the scientific community. So for a while you've made improvements... and then the thyroid has just had too much and the balance swings the other way. Overload of iodine can cause hypothyroid just like deficiency can.


Or they get all they need in diet and live in a world without halogens. I want to move there too!

t2t

How could you live in a world without halogens?
Your body literally needs them to function properly.
Salt- contains chlorine -a halogen... and salt prescribed as part of the Brownstein protocol in rather large quantities compared to a natural diet.
Iodine and iodide- also halogens... halogens that are advocated to be supplemented in extreme amounts compared to any natural diet in Brownstein's protocol and this thread in general.
And yes, both salt (sodium rather, but sodium chloride works) and iodine are vital to healthy human function.
For a better understanding of halogens... Halogens: Information from Answers.com

I really think that iodine/iodide can be used healthfully without the risks that some people are taking with it.
MORE is not necessarily better... and can be genuinely dangerous in many cases with supplements. Just like taking too much of many vitamins can make you really sick...
Nutrition, Toxic Dosages and Side Effects of Vitamins and Minerals
Too much selenuim for instance is linked to "Diabetes, garlic-breath odor, immune impairment, loss of hair and nails, irritability, pallor, skin lesions, tooth decay, nausea, weakness, yellowish skin"

[bloodorchid]

real research along with n=1 experiments

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[cori93437]

I would think they probably do, and I've never said otherwise. Whether some/all is absorbed by the root system, or broken down by the plant, or by harvesting/processing, I know not.

Do I think your government are deliberately putting fluoride into food to control the population? Err... no.

Farms are not paying for city water to irrigate... really.
Do you have any idea what that would cost... it's just not done.
They run wells and natural water sources.
Washing foods for packaging is a different story.

Fluoride is pretty easy to avoid IMO (as is bromine)... I don't eat packaged products.
The fluoride in fruits/veg is from natural calcium fluoride and not a concern IMO.
Wash it before consuming to remove any fluoride from processing/packaging.
Have a whole house water filtration system inf you live in the city... I have one.

real research along with n=1 experiments

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I'd only add one word...
real research along with informed n=1 experiments
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[Radialhead]

Farms are not paying for city water to irrigate... really.
Do you have any idea what that would cost...

I've no idea, I live in a sensible country; we don't have such concerns...

[cori93437]

I've no idea, I live in a sensible country; we don't have such concerns...

Oops... I responded to your response to what I was actually responding to.
Anyway.

[t2t]

The sad thing is, is that the government gets the tax payers of the U.S. to pay for having fluoride added to our drinking water.

The cost is easily millions and millions of dollars to put fluoride in the water.

It costs a lot of money to dispose of hazardous waste. (Any kind) So the government wins both ways.

Do I think your government is deliberately putting fluoride into food to control the population? Err... no.
I never said anything about population control. To make us sick and make MONEY, yes that is their goal and what I think.

Again thank you about the Japanese study. It dispels thousands of magazine articles through the years about the 12.5 mgs on iodine from kelp. But I have read that some forms of brown kelp have as much as 8000 micrograms per gram of kelp. Others say 4000 micrograms per gram of kelp. I believe if one can get a reliable safe staple of kelp that is the way to go.

Redialhead, I apologize for my demeanor at times regarding Iodine and all the halogens. I don’t always write what I’m thinking down clearly. But my doctors had me on so many drugs after my heart attacks. Zocor and 200 mg’s of amiodarone ( it has 78 mg’s of iodine in it). I took it for eight months and one day I looked at the side effects and one of them was that it can turn the skin permanently Grey. I immediately threw it in the trash can. There was a warning that came out later from the FDA about Zocor and Aramodone being a deadly combo.

The third medicated stent I had put in caused me to form a large life threatening Clot in my heart a year later. I was put on Coumadin and Plavix for a year then.

I apologize to you Breadsauce too and anyone if I have come off as cross. (I am but against my heart doctors) Truly Iodine has saved me. I first learned of iodine over 30 years ago from a book by Dr. Jarvis: Vermont folk medicine, but the skull and crossbones on the iodine bottle deterred me from trying his iodine and selenium protocol.

Oh. how i wished i had went ahead and started it.

t2t

[t2t]

To cori,

I meant the iodine from kelp.

I meant mostly the bad halogens. I know chloride is needed in digestion. Thanks for straighting me out.

So cori, did you hate the Dr.truss link I posted?

Am I still held. in a slim view, in your court??

[Finnegans Wake]

Our water company doesn't add fluoride.

Damn, I hate it when I miss out on all the fun government conspiracies!

[t2t]

A lot of U.S. counties still do. But some are getting it repealed.

International Anti-Fluoridation Database