07-20-2012, 07:55 AM
Radialhead, thanks for this. The link you give provides very compelling evidence about iodine consumption in the Japanese being between 1 and 3 mg - it is especially compelling when you read the authors credentials;
Originally Posted by Radialhead
TZ received his Bachelor's degree in Biology from Oregon State University in 2009. He is a Research Associate at ZRT Laboratory in Beaverton, Oregon, where he recently developed a test to measure iodine and creatinine levels in dried urine. His current research focuses on iodine deficiency, Japanese iodine intake, halide competition, thyroid disorders and iodine kinetics in the human body.
DZ received his doctorate in Biochemistry from the University of Tennessee in 1974. He is Laboratory Director and President of ZRT Laboratory, which he founded in 1998. Dr. Zava has developed innovative, simple and cost-effective methods to monitor hormone and other analytes associated with health and disease. His current research focus includes endocrinology, breast cancer, and--most recently--the importance of iodine to optimum health. He is co-author of a landmark book, What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast Cancer: How Hormone Balance Can Help Save Your Life.
A professional scientific researcher into iodine and effects on the human body is someone I am really prepared to take note of.
07-20-2012, 08:07 AM
Thank you Radialhead on the Japanese study.
As to flouride being added to almost everything, Rubbish indeed.!
2004 USDA National Fluoride Database of
Selected Beverages and Foods
For Full Report on USDA Website
CLICK HERE: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...e/fluoride.pdf
Intended goal of fluoridation: Delivery of 1 milligram of fluoride per day
1 milligram/liter = 1ppm (parts per million)
**mcg/100g = ppm * 100 (beverages corrected for specific gravity)
USDA Fluoride Content in Foods and Beverages
US Admits Too Much FLuoride in Tap Water and Recommends Lower Levels
Perchlorate blocks the absorption of iodine. Don’t you think it’s terrible iodine was being added to BABY formula. Heavens forbid…
"It's important to note that infant formula contains iodine and that iodine would be expected to ameliorate any potential effects that perchlorate would have," Ben Blount, PhD, Chief of the CDC's Perchlorate Biomonitoring Laboratory, tells Webmd.
Rocket Fuel Chemical Perchlorate Found in Powdered Infant Formula
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07-20-2012, 08:23 AM
You said: "Plus the government is putting Fluoride in all the fast food, foods in the grocery stores and medicines." Posting a list of the fluoride content of different foods does not support that claim. Where is the data proving that the government are adding fluoride to 'all the fast food, foods in the grocery store'? You won't find any because it doesn't exist. Just think for a second about the logistics of doing that to the hundreds of thousands of different sources of food from all over the world, & doing it without anyone knowing, & you'll hopefully see it's just another ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Originally Posted by t2t
There are enough verifiable facts to support supplementing with iodine - you don't have to invent stuff.
07-20-2012, 08:52 AM
Interesting. It seems that because the gov't insists on fluoridating most of the water supplies, fluoride ends up in most of our food supply. If you drink a can of beer, you're ingesting fluoride because it was brewed from fluoridated water. And we aren't talking the natural "good" fluoride...this "fluoride" is actually toxic waste bought from China that is dumped into municipal water supplies. And why do they do this? Fluoride is known for calming people. That's why it's a main ingredient in many drugs such as anti-anxiety medicine. But it's toxic to the human body as well as causes fluoridosis which is mottling and weakening of the teeth. But if someone wants to trust the ADA on their arrogant/ignorant stand on Mercury & Fluoride, I can't help them. Here's a good article:
Originally Posted by t2t
By Jim Ehmke, CN
July 06, 2007
A good friend of mine recently asked me about the fluoride in his favorite brand of toothpaste. Since I am an oral-hygiene freak and proud of it, he turned to me for advice.
For cleaning my teeth, I use baking soda and salt in a 6:1 ratio. I rarely use toothpaste and "blot" my teeth in preference to brushing. I floss twice daily with Oral B Super Floss (a very unique floss) and use a water pick once daily. I avoid fluoride in toothpastes.
To understand why, it is important to know that naturally-occurring fluoride exists in the soil and plants as Calcium Fluoride (CaF2). In homeopathy, "Calc-Fluor" is a well-known cell salt and is completely safe. Here is why: calcium binds fluorine so tightly that it will not disassociate (separate) in water – it stays bound together as CaF2. The reason this is safe is because free-radical fluorine is not released – it stays bound to calcium – and is completely safe.
Some toothpaste brands in the United States (Tom's, for instance) use Calcium Fluoride. However, commercial toothpaste products use Sodium Fluoride, which, like Sodium Chloride (table salt), dissolves in water, releasing free-radical fluorine ions (or sodium ions from salt). Free-radical fluorine ions are terribly destructive, deadly, carcinogenic, and much more – truly nasty stuff. But, bound to calcium, it is safe and even beneficial in certain situations.
The fluoride added to water is Sodium Fluoride (NaF), not CaF2. So the question is: "What type of fluoride is in your toothpaste?" Organic fluoride means nothing. It is all about chemistry and what the fluorine atom is bound to. If it is bound to calcium, then, yes, it is safe. If instead it is bound to sodium or something that dissolves in water (thereby releasing fluorine ions), then it is most emphatically not safe. Few substances are as toxic and aggressive as fluorine/fluoride.
When I studied organic chemistry at the University of Wisconsin, our textbook called F the wildcat of the periodic table – aggressive, deadly, and unpredictable. In our laboratory, HF (hydrofluoric acid) – like HCL (hydrochloric acid) but hundreds of times stronger and deadlier – was kept in a one-inch thick, sealed glass jar in the freezer under lock and key. The damn stuff was incredibly unstable. But, hey, who cares about a little in your drinking water?
Understand that F is the top element in Family 7A of the Periodic Table. This Family is called the halogen family and consists of Fluorine (F), Chlorine (Cl), Bromine (Br), and Iodine (I), in order of aggressiveness. Overall, the halogen family is the most aggressive family in the Periodic Table. With seven electrons in the valence shell (outside shell of electrons), it only needs one more electron to fill the shell – 8 electrons fill the circle. Therefore, halogens are aggressive in seeking another electron from any element possible. Each successive halogen – F, Cl, Br, and I is weaker. F is by far the strongest, then Cl, Br, and finally I, which is the weakest. This forms what chemists call a "replacement series," where F replaces Cl, Br, and I. Cl replaces Br and I. Br only replaces I.
However, in the human body, Iodine is the key halogen. It is key not only for thyroid function but for many other important functions, especially immune-system health and female hormones. Yet, F replaces Iodine like taking candy from a baby. This disrupts Iodine metabolism throughout the body. There is absolutely no nutritional requirement for F anywhere in the body. But, once introduced, it will raise hell anywhere as it sees fit, displacing Iodine and Chlorine at will. It is truly the wildcat; not only of the periodic table, but in the human body as well. Anyone who has basic chemistry knows these facts. And yet so many people buy into all the fluoride nonsense and forget basic science, especially professionals who should know better. How convenient.
So, any person wanting to protect his or her health needs to look at the packaging of the toothpaste or powder that they are using and discover the chemical configuration of the fluoride in it. Avoid any toothpaste that uses Sodium Fluoride.
And remember, there is a reason why the Germans chose fluoride gas as their preferential chemical weapon – they know their chemistry better than anyone! There was nothing deadlier until radioactive elements and nuclear devices were constructed. That should tell us enough right there.
Destructive Fluoride - National Health Federation - Your voice for health freedom
07-20-2012, 09:02 AM
I noticed there are some here that are supplementing with kelp or other seaweed products. I was taking a kelp tablet each day, but decided to try using Lugol's 2% because of all the talk about metals in kelp. I also take a multivitamin each day that has 150mcg of Potassium Iodide. I never had a problem with the kelp, but twice now I've started on Lugol's but stopped because I started feeling sick after a few days. Both times I used a small amount (1 tbsp from an 8oz water bottle with one drop of Lugol's), which shouldn't have been much (if any) more than what I was getting with the kelp tablets. The only other thing that changed was that I started taking the ATP co-factors. I had already been taking magnesium and eating 2 or 3 Brazil nuts per day before I ever considered supplementing with iodine, though I did recently switch to a Selenium supplement instead of the nuts. So either the ATP co-factors (or the Selenium supplement) was the problem, or there's something about Lugol's that bothers me.
I've followed the thread for awhile now, but don't remember anyone else having that type of problem unless they were taking higher doses. I guess I'll go back to the kelp, or possibly try a Potassium Iodode supplement (225 mcg or so).
Edit: I forgot to mention that I was also taking vitamin C before starting iodine, though I did increase the amount I was taking when I tried the Lugol's.
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07-20-2012, 09:33 AM
I went through a whole bottle of Lugols in my first year of supplementing iodine. (started out painting with CVS brand iodine) I wasn't a fan of it or Lugols either. Although a bit expensive try the Magnanscent 2% iodine set in alcohol or Nascent from amazon. Both are a much gentler iodine and keeps you on the lower doses. After Lugols I used these for a while.
To this day I take elemental iodine set in alcohol but in much larger doses. If I try to take large amounts of vitamin C I start to get sick too.
In no way am I saying Lugols or Vitamin C is bad. They aren't for me.
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07-20-2012, 10:00 AM
You just saw the chart that shows Fluoride being put into everything. The U.S. government puts Fluoride in our water and products made with the water get Fluoride content in them. Wow. Did I invent the chart up? They admitted that too much fluoride is being put into the water. I am talking about the U.S. not the whole world. Many governments won't allow Flouride or Bromine in their country. Or they have banned its use.
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07-20-2012, 10:07 AM
I finally have something conclusive to report about moles and iodine. I had a mole on my hip that's been there for several years, it's shape had been changing which caused me some concern. Several people mentioned trying iodine on moles so I'd thought I'd give it a try. At first I just put the iodine directly on the mole even though I read what Grizz said about using a carrier oil; I was impatient. Sure enough I could see it was doing something to the mole, but the skin did get irritated. So then I mixed the iodine with some leftover salve that I had and started using that regularly. If you mix iodine with oil make sure you put it an opaque container, I used a brown glass jar. Very shortly I could see that the mole was changing; it started to itch and parts of it flaked off. Now you can barely even tell where it was. I also have been putting it on a mole on the back of my hand, this one is no longer raised and looks more like an age spot than a mole. I will continue to apply the iodine cream on that one and I am pretty confident that it will completely go away like the other one.
07-20-2012, 10:15 AM
No, I saw a chart showing the fluoride content of various foods. I didn't see a breakdown showing how much came from naturally occurring sources i.e. the soil, how much came from fluoride added to water, & how much was 'added by the government'.
Originally Posted by t2t
I'm sure you can see the difference between that & what you originally wrote.
Originally Posted by t2t
07-20-2012, 10:30 AM
Do you think that fruits, vegetables, edible plants of any kind uptake fluoride when sprayed with fluorinated water? Forget about charts, studies. Yes or No?