07-20-2012, 12:08 AM
It is confusing. What I take away from the last sentence on that paragraph is that BECAUSE someone is using thyroid meds, they need to supplement with iodine even more so to overcome what the thyroid meds do. Some people can go off or reduce their thyroid meds when on iodine while others may have to keep taking them. So far I can't seem to go off my T3. But I am feeling quite well these days so I'm okay with taking both T3 & Iodoral as long as necessary.
Originally Posted by Gwynn
07-20-2012, 12:14 AM
@ cori, thanks for the post - I found it fascinating. I'm glad you printed out the extracts - I just have too much to do today to read the original! it chimed with my rather cautious approach to all supplements.
@T2T, thanks for the comments about vit K. I WAS taking Vit K2 Mk7; now I am taking one with more vit K2 Mk4, but it also has some Mk7 also. Best of both worlds there! And I'm taking vitamin D3; usually in the summer I don't, but in the UK this year we haven't seen much sun, if any, for weeks, so I am still taking pills. Incidentally, I am amused that you think my amounts of Lugol's "small" - it is all relative! I'd bet my GP would think it was WAY high compared to the RDA!!!!
I know a lot of people on here are taking large quantities of both iodine and various supplements; very bravely doing self experimentation and printing out their results on this thread. I hope it keeps running for a couple of years - if they are all still showing benefits at that stage, I will feel encouraged to up my own levels!
Last edited by breadsauce; 07-20-2012 at 04:10 AM.
07-20-2012, 01:12 AM
I take kelp or dulse or some form of sea vegetable occasionally - I am convinced that they contain a wider spectrum of iodine salts and minerals, so are worthwhile. And I'm not overly worried about contaminants - I think there's a lot of needless worry about!
Originally Posted by William400
Last edited by breadsauce; 07-20-2012 at 04:11 AM.
07-20-2012, 06:26 AM
It certainly doesn’t hurt to get some K2 mk7 also.
Dr. Davis uses both K2 mk7 and K2 mk4 with D3.
I had a striking experience this past week. Don has coronary plaque and began the Track Your Plaque program. However, discovery of a murmur led to an echocardiogram that measured his effective aortic valve area at 1.5 cm2. (Normal is between 2.5-3.0 cm2.)
Because of his aortic valve issue, I suggested that, in addition to the 10,000 units of vitamin D required to increase his 25-hydroxy vitamin D level to 70 ng/ml, he also add vitamin K2, 1000 mcg per day, along with elimination of all calcium supplements. (I asked Don to use a K2 supplement that contained both forms, short-acting MK-4 and long-acting MK-7.)
One year later, another echocardiogram: aortic valve area 2.6 cm2–an incredible increase.
Track Your Plaque Blog
As to the recommended minimum daily dose of iodine of 150 Micrograms by our government, that RDA of iodine was established for the Thyroid only. A woman's breast alone requires a few milligrams apiece. That is why it is believed that the Japanese women have one of the lowest incidences of breast cancer in the world, because they get about 12.5 mg's a day from kelp. 12.5 mg's a day? That shoots a big hole in the theory that several milligrams are bad for anyone. Back before 1980 we Americans used to get 150 micrograms in each slice of bread we ate. Now we get bromine in each slice. So one needs to ingest a minimum amount of iodine to counteract the bromine if they eat bread. Plus the government is putting Fluoride in all the fast food, foods in the grocery stores and medicines. It goes on and on.
Perhaps the Japanese women should be scolded for taking in so much iodine?
Perhaps U.S. doctors should quit painting up to several ounces of Betadine (contains 1% iodine) on patients before surgery.
130 milligrams of potassium iodide a day, for several days, is given to people in a nuclear event to protect their thyroids from the radioactive iodine 131. Shouldn’t this large amount of iodide(iodine) be horrible on the thyroid? No selenomethionine is given either!
Much larger amounts of iodine taken with selenomethionine cured my hyperthyroidism and higher amounts cured both my handicapped daughters and wife’s' hypothyroidism. I have blood work that proves it. But just 3 people having gotten great results is not a real STUDY. But in my world I am happy with larger amounts of iodine and I am also happy if other people only need smaller amounts to help them stay healthy.
Or they get all they need in diet and live in a world without halogens. I want to move there too!
Last edited by t2t; 07-20-2012 at 06:44 AM.
07-20-2012, 06:40 AM
Wonderful news Dave! I'm going to ask my parents to take low dose iodoral (thinking of starting from 6.25mg) and I hope my dad will have similar result.
Originally Posted by Dave RN
Last edited by youthfuliz; 07-20-2012 at 06:45 AM.
07-20-2012, 06:40 AM
Thanks for posting this. Great information, and provides some much needed balance to this thread.
Originally Posted by cori93437
07-20-2012, 06:45 AM
A quick update:
Still taking 50mg of iodoral, 25 at breakfast, 25 at lunch. Taking the cofactors too. Very good energy and increased productivity. I have got more stuff done in the last 10 days than I would do in a month before. Don't have detox symptoms and I'm fine with that...since my thyroid nodules keep shrinking. I'll keep doing 50mg for now. Eating lots of seafood too.
Last edited by youthfuliz; 07-20-2012 at 07:15 AM.
07-20-2012, 06:49 AM
Originally Posted by Hawkward
07-20-2012, 07:23 AM
They're getting 1 - 3 mg/day according to the latest research I can find. E.g. Thyroid Research | Full text | Assessment of Japanese iodine intake based on seaweed consumption in Japan: A literature-based analysis If you've got a more recent journal source with references showing 12.5 mg/day, please provide the link.
Originally Posted by t2t
Seaweed contains bromine too, often more than the iodine. Marine Biology, Volume 47, Number 3 - SpringerLink
Originally Posted by t2t
Originally Posted by t2t
07-20-2012, 07:55 AM
Radialhead, thanks for this. The link you give provides very compelling evidence about iodine consumption in the Japanese being between 1 and 3 mg - it is especially compelling when you read the authors credentials;
Originally Posted by Radialhead
TZ received his Bachelor's degree in Biology from Oregon State University in 2009. He is a Research Associate at ZRT Laboratory in Beaverton, Oregon, where he recently developed a test to measure iodine and creatinine levels in dried urine. His current research focuses on iodine deficiency, Japanese iodine intake, halide competition, thyroid disorders and iodine kinetics in the human body.
DZ received his doctorate in Biochemistry from the University of Tennessee in 1974. He is Laboratory Director and President of ZRT Laboratory, which he founded in 1998. Dr. Zava has developed innovative, simple and cost-effective methods to monitor hormone and other analytes associated with health and disease. His current research focus includes endocrinology, breast cancer, and--most recently--the importance of iodine to optimum health. He is co-author of a landmark book, What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast Cancer: How Hormone Balance Can Help Save Your Life.
A professional scientific researcher into iodine and effects on the human body is someone I am really prepared to take note of.