Iodine Anyone? page 353

[Grizz]

I'm on board with the legal disclaimer you posted, Grizz. I think you've given enough warnings throughout this thread so that any newbie should be well aware that they are on their own using Iodine. And I say you are officially "off the hook" so you can relax now. You've done all you can to educate and warn the readers here.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him walk on it.

I went to my chiropractor yesterday and asked him what he thought about Iodine. First thing he said was that he has to warn people that too much iodine can be toxic. Now this is a chiro whom I generally trust. He is the first one who directed me to Dr Mercola's site. Of course, Mercola isn't big on iodine either. Until Mercola sells Iodine, he won't be big on it either. So I didn't bother telling him how much Iodoral I use. No point.

My chiro is amazed at how much I've changed/improved in the last 5 years including losing 100 lbs. He was even impressed at my neck xray (which I reluctantly agreed to since it had been many years since my last xray following 2 bad neck injuries) which showed no degeneration issues or bone spurs at all even though I'm 51. He showed me a recent xray of a 10 year old patient with more serious issues than I have. I do need to work on my upper cervical curve a bit but otherwise he was thrilled with my overall state of health.

So when it comes to doctors, many of us have found this thread because doctors have failed us--whether intentionally or out of ignorance--it doesn't matter. I suffered needlessly from hypothyroidism for YEARS because most doctors (including endocrinologists) are clueless about how to properly diagnose it.

So I am very interested in the info you posted yesterday about thyroid meds preventing iodine from getting into our cells. I am taking T3 only--25 mcg's twice a day. I have tried reducing my dose since starting Iodoral but I could tell I was dragging without it so I resumed taking it. I'm going to try reducing my dose to 25 mcg's once per day to see if anything has changed now that I've been at the higher doses of Iodoral for a few months now. I'm still at 100 mg's per day of Iodoral plus all the companion supplements. I put Real Salt in fresh lemonade each day and I tolerate it well taking it that way. Otherwise, even salt in a capsule will make me gag once it hits my stomach. I've had only a few detox symptoms since starting Iodoral and they were more strange than painful. Old injuries flared briefly such as my neck started to hurt again for a day. It felt like I just gotten a whiplash injury again even though I didn't. Then it stopped hurting just as quickly as it started. My feeling is that as the iodine reaches areas that have been previously injured and inflamed, it detoxes the halides that accumulated in those cells when they were swollen following the injury. But that's just a feeling--not a scientific study.

Princess,
Thank you for the update ! I'm glad you like our disclaimer.

Putting salt into lemonade is a great tip. I'm going to put that into the Iodine References in the Salt section.

As Dr. Kruse said when I asked him, doctors are trained to treat symptoms by the book, they have zero incentive to CURE problems. Curing problems are not in a doctor's vocabulary and not in their books. Treat Symptoms - end of subject. Disease prevention is our own responsibility.

Just read this shocking document provided to us many thanks to T2T. I just posted this into Iodine References under Disease.
ARE MOST DISEASES CAUSED BY THE MEDICAL SYSTEM?

Grizz

[DuhPrincess]

So if I am making up my own mind, why bother to even visit the doctor?

As I said before, I understand this is CYA. Let's just call it like it is: Grizz is telling people he has some esoteric protocol (people using iodine without following the exact prescription could wind up in the hospital; most doctors are not behind the protocol), so in essence, he's saying to ignore your physician. That's not the same thing as making up your own mind; you've likely made up your mind prior to visiting the physician.

Make up your own mind, but here are a thousand links on why your doctor is wrong. Really, what's the point?

Based on my personal experience, doctors are often wrong. They were wrong about my thyroid (the TSH test is NOT an accurate tool to diagnose hypothyroidism even though it's ignorantly considered the "Gold Standard" by the doctors) and they were wrong about the cause of my Fibromyalgia (now completely gone after appropriately treating my thyroid with T3). They are NOT taught nutrition in medical schools unless it's a 1 hour course over an 8 year program. They do not understand the underlying cause of disease--they only know how to prescribe drugs to try to cover up symptoms. And those drugs often cause more problems than the original problem.

What brought YOU to this site? Why don't you just go to your doctor and let him tell you how to live your life if you're so concerned about what he thinks? I'm here because CW medicine nearly killed me. I lost a 48 year old female friend to a massive heart attack. The last thing she told me is that she was going to a doctor to get her thyroid checked soon after doing some research. She'd been to doctors repeatedly describing to them (and me) that she felt like she was dying. They considered her a "malingerer" and only wanted to put her on anti-depressants. She was dead 2 days later. Medical Fact: Untreated hypothyroidism can lead to heart attacks. Because she never made it to the doctor, I can't say if it was her thyroid or not. And even if she'd made it to that appointment, I can say with some authority that she probably wouldn't have been treated properly anyway. This is way too common. Go read at StopTheThyroidMadness.com for more info.

You show me a doctor with a clue, and I would be happy to go to them. Educating & self-treating myself about things that doctors SHOULD know can be exhausting and time consuming. It would be easier to just turn my body over to a doctor to make all the tough decisions for me. But nobody cares about the outcome more than I do. Reminds me of a speech I heard as a kid that was titled, "Pack Your Own Parachute." No one cares more about how perfectly a parachute is packed than the person who's going to pull the chord after jumping out of the plane.

So until I find a good reason to change my course of using Iodoral, I choose to trust the doctors such as Brownstein and others that are successfully using Iodine in their practices instead of the doctors who are slicing and burning and radiating women.

[Grizz]

Fine.

That was all.

Whether good, bad, or ugly is beside the point. The point is that it's a CYA phrase, 100%. Let's just keep things honest, right? Right.

I'm certain Mark has his own tough disclaimer that members agree to when they become a member, so what I posted is just redundant.

Grizz

[Gwynn]

Thanks for the info, t2t.

The thing is that aside from this breakout, I have been pretty much acne free for the past 8 years. This is all of a sudden, and so I do not believe that it's caused by fluoride (which is no longer in my water). I do recall Grizz posting that website awhile back, when I was trying to figure out what my broderma was! Definitely good stuff.
Back when I was still dealing with cystic acne (in my 20s, prior to Accutane), I did try mega dosing pantothenic acid. It didn't work for me. There is not much that I didn't try back in those days! I raided the internet and jumped on any bandwagon that promised clear skin! Accutane was the only thing that worked for me.

I am sure that this is brought on by something recent. I added a new supplement (curcumin) into my regimen last week, so I am going to stop taking that for now. I've also been having copious amounts of heavy cream lately, and I generally have very little dairy. So I'm nixing that for now, too. Dairy never broke me out before, but I've noticed that I've become much more sensitive to certain foods after cutting them out for awhile (like grains and dairy!). Hopefully it will clear up just as quickly as it began.

I really appreciate all of the advice!!

Paleogirl,

I can't believe you said this. I attempted a Whole 30 a couple months back. I only lasted nine days, but ever since I got back to eating normally (not even Primal) I feel waaayy worse than before. I told DH I was imagining things. Maybe not?

Gwynn

[Dirlot]

The CYA is common sense. There is a lot of info here and that is all it is info. Follow it or don't at your own risk/test/health/decision. It is up to you to make your own decision and if something goes wrong it falls on your shoulders.
There is some over zealous posturing that should be toned down IMHO as there does seem to be three main protocols suggested by doctors from mild to the extreme. From the low dose Dr Davis (who I don't think suggests much else in the way of supplements to the full on-board Dr B who has it all mapped out. All up to the individual as to how they are going to proceed/or not.

[cori93437]

Ground breaking iodine research has been taking place at the Iodine CureZone:
Iodine Supplementation Support Forum by VWT Team, Page 264, Vulcanel, Wombat & Trapper/kcmo:

One of the list owners is Trapper who has developed a rule for starting out on iodine which are counter-intuitive and require a leap of faith to implement. He says to START Lugol or iodoral iodine at 100mg (with required supplements) which expedites detox into just a few days. He insists starting with a small dose and titrating up slowly simply prolongs the agony of detox. I have been following his newbee members with interest. Here is one of his latest success stories, Zophie (from our group) who is verifying Trapper's procedures for us:
First week at 100mg at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1964396)
That message thread continues below the message.

I have added Trapper's procedures as an alternative into "Iodine References"
http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

Same old rules apply for Pulse Dosing & Salt Flush in the event of NASTY detox issues.

Grizz

I would like to point out that what you have posted here is in no way "research". It is self experimentation.
Research implies that there is careful investigation happening in a scholarly manner, such as by using the scientific method and controls.
What you posted is a clear case of n=1 self experimentation.
You have hounded on around here about the necessity of following a Doctor approved protocol many times, and now you have some anonymous Joe off the internet who's ideas on nuking himself with massive doses of iodine you are promoting.
Yes, by posting it in an encouraging light you are promoting it.

Also... it there a reason why you need to bring all of these posts from a completely separate message board to this one? Can you not simply say "Hey, for anyone who wants to read an interesting n=1 iodine story... here is a link to another great site."

I simply don't understand the need of all of the non-evidentiary clutter.
Posting something besides personal rants from other websites might be more helpful to people who really want to research iodine use.

[breadsauce]

I would like to point out that what you have posted here is in no way "research". It is self experimentation.
Research implies that there is careful investigation happening in a scholarly manner, such as by using the scientific method and controls.
What you posted is a clear case of n=1 self experimentation.
You have hounded on around here about the necessity of following a Doctor approved protocol many times, and now you have some anonymous Joe off the internet who's ideas on nuking himself with massive doses of iodine you are promoting.
Yes, by posting it in an encouraging light you are promoting it.

Also... it there a reason why you need to bring all of these posts from a completely separate message board to this one? Can you not simply say "Hey, for anyone who wants to read an interesting n=1 iodine story... here is a link to another great site."

I simply don't understand the need of all of the non-evidentiary clutter.
Posting something besides personal rants from other websites might be more helpful to people who really want to research iodine use.

Again, a very concise post. I WISH Grizz would just post links. All of this massive stuff - not research, just anecdote, gets so VERY tiring.

And to say 'My friend Dr Kruse "- friend - really? Does he even know that his name is being used - possibly even taken in vain???!!!

[Grizz]

Cori,

If you don't like my posts, may I suggest that you put Grizz on Ignore, then you won't be bothered by them anymore.

Besides, you complain about anything & everything and you give me an Excedrin Headache . Maybe I will put YOU on ignore ;--))
Are you like this with your BF or husband? How can they stand you?

If you don't like the information, then don't use it. Trapper has done a great deal of hard work for iodine, dedicated 5 years of his life, and you sit there NIT PICKING this brilliant man ? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ?

Can you contribute anything at all positive to this group? Or is it to be nit picking & negativism for the rest of our natural lives?
I know the answer, so your next outburst of negativism, sorry to say, but YOU are going into my IGNORE list. No one has ever been put on my ignore list in years, and you could be the first.

Breadsauce, ditto for you. Just put Grizz on your ignore list.

You may be MUCH happier joining the other iodine group dedicated to pure research:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...l#gmessage6724
Yes that is a MUCH better group for you.

Here is another group for you unhappy ladies to join, also dedicated to pure research.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IodineResearch/

Either stop complaining or go join one of the above groups.
Grizz

[Happy Paleo Girl]

We have talked about Trappers position over at the Curezone. He states it is best to start iodine at 100mg to clear out ALL detox in a day or 2. He says starting small just prolongs the pain.

Here is a report from our own Zophie:
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Any comments?

Grizz

Based on my own personal experience, I would never jump up that high. I think it really depends on each person's level of toxicity, etc. As for starting small prolonging the pain - starting small is the only thing that has saved me from the pain of detox symptoms! Since I have been going low and slow, I have been feeling GREAT! It's only when I have jumped up too high that I've experienced negative reactions - brain fog, depression, anxiety, feelings of hopelessness, bloating, broderma, the stink of bromines being released!
HOWEVER, for those who are very sick, getting into the high doses very quickly may be necessary, and worth dealing with the detox symptoms. Luckily, I am not battling any serious illnesses, I just have a few niggling health issues that I'd like to resolve, but I have the luxury of taking my time.

[Happy Paleo Girl]

We have talked about Trappers position over at the Curezone. He states it is best to start iodine at 100mg to clear out ALL detox in a day or 2. He says starting small just prolongs the pain.

Here is a report from our own Zophie:
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Any comments?

Grizz

ALSO, I don't possibly see how the detox symptoms from that high of a dose would be clear in a day or 2! It took me nearly a week after my 1 day at 50 mgs to start feeling back to normal. If a high dose of iodine is releasing more toxins into the body than it is equipped to deal with, how are the toxins supposed to clear quickly? It seems very counter intuitive to me.

Reading things like that over at CureZone when I was first starting my iodine journey is what prompted me to start with higher doses than I was ready for. I was seriously ready to forget all about iodine after that until I found this thread, and your iodine guide, Grizz, which advocated a low and slow method of titration. Since I've been doing it that way for the past couple of months, I've felt better than I have in a long time.