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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
    Fine.

    That was all.

    Whether good, bad, or ugly is beside the point. The point is that it's a CYA phrase, 100%. Let's just keep things honest, right? Right.
    I'm certain Mark has his own tough disclaimer that members agree to when they become a member, so what I posted is just redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Paleo Girl View Post
    Thanks for the info, t2t.

    The thing is that aside from this breakout, I have been pretty much acne free for the past 8 years. This is all of a sudden, and so I do not believe that it's caused by fluoride (which is no longer in my water). I do recall Grizz posting that website awhile back, when I was trying to figure out what my broderma was! Definitely good stuff.
    Back when I was still dealing with cystic acne (in my 20s, prior to Accutane), I did try mega dosing pantothenic acid. It didn't work for me. There is not much that I didn't try back in those days! I raided the internet and jumped on any bandwagon that promised clear skin! Accutane was the only thing that worked for me.

    I am sure that this is brought on by something recent. I added a new supplement (curcumin) into my regimen last week, so I am going to stop taking that for now. I've also been having copious amounts of heavy cream lately, and I generally have very little dairy. So I'm nixing that for now, too. Dairy never broke me out before, but I've noticed that I've become much more sensitive to certain foods after cutting them out for awhile (like grains and dairy!). Hopefully it will clear up just as quickly as it began.

    I really appreciate all of the advice!!
    Paleogirl,

    I can't believe you said this. I attempted a Whole 30 a couple months back. I only lasted nine days, but ever since I got back to eating normally (not even Primal) I feel waaayy worse than before. I told DH I was imagining things. Maybe not?

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    The CYA is common sense. There is a lot of info here and that is all it is info. Follow it or don't at your own risk/test/health/decision. It is up to you to make your own decision and if something goes wrong it falls on your shoulders.
    There is some over zealous posturing that should be toned down IMHO as there does seem to be three main protocols suggested by doctors from mild to the extreme. From the low dose Dr Davis (who I don't think suggests much else in the way of supplements to the full on-board Dr B who has it all mapped out. All up to the individual as to how they are going to proceed/or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    Ground breaking iodine research has been taking place at the Iodine CureZone:
    Iodine Supplementation Support Forum by VWT Team, Page 264, Vulcanel, Wombat & Trapper/kcmo:

    One of the list owners is Trapper who has developed a rule for starting out on iodine which are counter-intuitive and require a leap of faith to implement. He says to START Lugol or iodoral iodine at 100mg (with required supplements) which expedites detox into just a few days. He insists starting with a small dose and titrating up slowly simply prolongs the agony of detox. I have been following his newbee members with interest. Here is one of his latest success stories, Zophie (from our group) who is verifying Trapper's procedures for us:
    First week at 100mg at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1964396)
    That message thread continues below the message.

    I have added Trapper's procedures as an alternative into "Iodine References"
    http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

    Same old rules apply for Pulse Dosing & Salt Flush in the event of NASTY detox issues.

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    I would like to point out that what you have posted here is in no way "research". It is self experimentation.
    Research implies that there is careful investigation happening in a scholarly manner, such as by using the scientific method and controls.
    What you posted is a clear case of n=1 self experimentation.
    You have hounded on around here about the necessity of following a Doctor approved protocol many times, and now you have some anonymous Joe off the internet who's ideas on nuking himself with massive doses of iodine you are promoting.
    Yes, by posting it in an encouraging light you are promoting it.

    Also... it there a reason why you need to bring all of these posts from a completely separate message board to this one? Can you not simply say "Hey, for anyone who wants to read an interesting n=1 iodine story... here is a link to another great site."

    I simply don't understand the need of all of the non-evidentiary clutter.
    Posting something besides personal rants from other websites might be more helpful to people who really want to research iodine use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
    I would like to point out that what you have posted here is in no way "research". It is self experimentation.
    Research implies that there is careful investigation happening in a scholarly manner, such as by using the scientific method and controls.
    What you posted is a clear case of n=1 self experimentation.
    You have hounded on around here about the necessity of following a Doctor approved protocol many times, and now you have some anonymous Joe off the internet who's ideas on nuking himself with massive doses of iodine you are promoting.
    Yes, by posting it in an encouraging light you are promoting it.

    Also... it there a reason why you need to bring all of these posts from a completely separate message board to this one? Can you not simply say "Hey, for anyone who wants to read an interesting n=1 iodine story... here is a link to another great site."

    I simply don't understand the need of all of the non-evidentiary clutter.
    Posting something besides personal rants from other websites might be more helpful to people who really want to research iodine use.
    Again, a very concise post. I WISH Grizz would just post links. All of this massive stuff - not research, just anecdote, gets so VERY tiring.

    And to say 'My friend Dr Kruse "- friend - really? Does he even know that his name is being used - possibly even taken in vain???!!!

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    Cori,

    If you don't like my posts, may I suggest that you put Grizz on Ignore, then you won't be bothered by them anymore.

    Besides, you complain about anything & everything and you give me an Excedrin Headache . Maybe I will put YOU on ignore ;--))
    Are you like this with your BF or husband? How can they stand you?

    If you don't like the information, then don't use it. Trapper has done a great deal of hard work for iodine, dedicated 5 years of his life, and you sit there NIT PICKING this brilliant man ? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ?

    Can you contribute anything at all positive to this group? Or is it to be nit picking & negativism for the rest of our natural lives?
    I know the answer, so your next outburst of negativism, sorry to say, but YOU are going into my IGNORE list. No one has ever been put on my ignore list in years, and you could be the first.

    Breadsauce, ditto for you. Just put Grizz on your ignore list.

    You may be MUCH happier joining the other iodine group dedicated to pure research:
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...l#gmessage6724
    Yes that is a MUCH better group for you.

    Here is another group for you unhappy ladies to join, also dedicated to pure research.
    http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IodineResearch/

    Either stop complaining or go join one of the above groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    We have talked about Trappers position over at the Curezone. He states it is best to start iodine at 100mg to clear out ALL detox in a day or 2. He says starting small just prolongs the pain.

    Here is a report from our own Zophie:
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    Any comments?

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    Based on my own personal experience, I would never jump up that high. I think it really depends on each person's level of toxicity, etc. As for starting small prolonging the pain - starting small is the only thing that has saved me from the pain of detox symptoms! Since I have been going low and slow, I have been feeling GREAT! It's only when I have jumped up too high that I've experienced negative reactions - brain fog, depression, anxiety, feelings of hopelessness, bloating, broderma, the stink of bromines being released!
    HOWEVER, for those who are very sick, getting into the high doses very quickly may be necessary, and worth dealing with the detox symptoms. Luckily, I am not battling any serious illnesses, I just have a few niggling health issues that I'd like to resolve, but I have the luxury of taking my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    We have talked about Trappers position over at the Curezone. He states it is best to start iodine at 100mg to clear out ALL detox in a day or 2. He says starting small just prolongs the pain.

    Here is a report from our own Zophie:
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    Any comments?

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    ALSO, I don't possibly see how the detox symptoms from that high of a dose would be clear in a day or 2! It took me nearly a week after my 1 day at 50 mgs to start feeling back to normal. If a high dose of iodine is releasing more toxins into the body than it is equipped to deal with, how are the toxins supposed to clear quickly? It seems very counter intuitive to me.

    Reading things like that over at CureZone when I was first starting my iodine journey is what prompted me to start with higher doses than I was ready for. I was seriously ready to forget all about iodine after that until I found this thread, and your iodine guide, Grizz, which advocated a low and slow method of titration. Since I've been doing it that way for the past couple of months, I've felt better than I have in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    Cori,

    If you don't like my posts, may I suggest that you put Grizz on Ignore, then you won't be bothered by them anymore.

    Besides, you complain about anything & everything and you give me an Excedrin Headache . Maybe I will put YOU on ignore ;--))
    Are you like this with your BF or husband? How can they stand you?

    If you don't like the information, then don't use it. Trapper has done a great deal of hard work for iodine, dedicated 5 years of his life, and you sit there NIT PICKING this brilliant man ? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ?

    Can you contribute anything at all positive to this group? Or is it to be nit picking & negativism for the rest of our natural lives?
    I know the answer, so your next outburst of negativism, sorry to say, but YOU are going into my IGNORE list. No one has ever been put on my ignore list in years, and you could be the first.

    Breadsauce, ditto for you.

    Grizz
    Personal attacks because I simply pointed out that you misrepresented personal experimentation as "research"?

    I did not say anything negative about Trapper at all... except that he is not a doctor and is just an anonymous person, which is simply an accurate observation, and that encouraging the use of his new way of doing things goes against your own mantra of "Follow the Brownstein protocol" as has been specified many, many times in this thread.

    I'm not being negative at all IMO.
    I'd simply like to see the information that is posted here labeled correctly as what it is, either actual scientific research OR n=1 experiment/anecdote.

    I believe that labeling things correctly will help the people who visit this thread distinguish different the types of information presented based on validity, and help them in their decision making process.
    Appropriate labeling of information as either science based evidence or n=1 anecdote is something that is encouraged in most every discussion on this forum, unless it is noted in the topic that is purely an opinion based subject matter.
    I see that as a positive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2t View Post
    In 1953 Dr Orian Truss discovered the devastating effects of antibiotics in an Alabama (USA) hospital. During a ward round Truss was intrigued by a gaunt, apparently elderly man who was obviously dying. However, he was only in his forties and in hospital for four months. No specialist had been able to make a diagnosis. Out of curiosity Truss asked the patient when he was last completely well.

    The man answered that he was well until six months before when he had cut his finger. He had received antibiotics for this. Shortly afterwards he developed diarrhea and his health deteriorated. Truss had seen before how antibiotics cause diarrhea. It was known that Candida was opportunistic and thrived in debilitated patients, but now Truss wondered if it might not be the other way round, that Candida actually caused the debilitated condition.

    He had read that potassium iodide solution could be used to treat Candida infestation of the blood. So he put the patient on six to eight drops of Lugol's solution four times a day for 3 weeks and soon the patient was again completely well.

    Soon afterwards he had a female patient with a stuffy nose, a throbbing headache, vaginitis and severe depression. To his amazement all her problems immediately cleared with Candida treatment. Sometime later he saw a female patient who had been schizophrenic for six years with hundreds of electroshock treatments and massive drug dosages. He started treating the woman for sinus allergies with a Candida remedy. Soon she had recovered mentally and physically, and remained well.

    From then on he treated his patients against Candida at the slightest indication of its presence. Many of his patients made remarkable recoveries from most unusual conditions, including menstrual problems, hyperactivity, learning disabilities, autism, schizophrenia, multiple sclerosis and auto-immune diseases such as Crohn's disease and lupus erythematosus.

    Every experienced naturopath can relate similar success stories. Also some alternative medical practitioners have realized the curative potential of anti-Candida therapy, as for instance Dr William Crook who wrote several books about the successful treatment of allergies and hyperactive children.

    6 verticle drops, that would be 37.5 mg of Lugol's 5% solution. At 4 times a day that would be about 150 milligrams of iodine a day. 8 drops four times a day would be about 200 mg's a day. t2t

    IS MOST DISEASE CAUSED BY THE MEDICAL SYSTEM
    Thanks for this info, t2t. I actually read this recently when I was researching candida, which I suspect I have. This is one of the things that I'm looking to resolve by taking iodine. At the rate I'm going, it will take me a long time to reach those amounts! Luckily I don't believe my case is nearly as bad as the patients that Truss was treating. I have also been trying to follow an anti-candida diet, which means no sugar of any kind, even from natural sources, along with a few other restrictions. I did it strictly for 3 weeks and saw some improvements. Hopefully the combination of the diet and the iodine over time will get me cleared up!

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