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    Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
    I specifically stated that the legal disclaimer is at issue because you are professing that by taking any iodine and not following the exact protocol you recommend that people will end up hospitalized. So you have a medical disclaimer which tells people to see their doctor, but also tell people many times in this thread to never trust doctors.
    The "consult a physician" part seems to be at great odds with the "never trust a doctor part".

    I do not agree with "message 7" because of all of the information hidden behind links.
    I might find some value in it if all of that information were upfront. And if equal time were given to the doctors who have concerns about the harmful effects of high dose iodine supplementation.
    As it stands you seem to base the entirety of your arguments against what other respected doctors have to say on the information of just a couple of cherry picked doctors that you agree with.
    Also... the tone of your writing is ridiculously inflammatory at times with the emboldened statements and bright colors. It looks like a side show snake oil salesmen wrote the pitch.
    Alarmist propaganda is just misleading. And what I'm seeing is alarmist propaganda.
    Over reaching claims are simply overreaching claims. Pandemics! And a list of vague symptoms as long as my arm... Statistics that are not based anywhere near reality... like the 90% of women have fibrocistic breast disease and that it leads directly to breast cancer (this statistic is grossly out of line with actual scientific studies).

    Good honest information doesn't need to be so fraught with drama.
    Once again, my opinion of doctors and your opinion of doctors has no bearing on the disclaimer. The person reading message 7 is to seek his own doctor's opinion for ALL supplements. His doctor is in control not you or me. EVERYTHING is between the newbee & his doctor. Supplement dosage, which supplements, iodine, how much iodine- EVERYTHING. You & I and everyone else is OUT of the loop. This is very simple. everything is between the doctor & his patient. Doctor is in total control. And that is how it should be.

    You and I are not professing ANYTHING. Kapish? Doctor advises on EVERYTHING. No other opinions are to be considered. Everyone has opinions on doctors. So what? Some good, some not so good. Doesn't mean anything in the disclaimer.

    The doctor is in control of the vertical the horizontal, the messages seen and ALL actions. NOTHING is to be done without Doctor.
    "If you use anything on this site without the guidance of a qualified health professional, it is at your own risk and responsibility." Kapish? What you & I have said in the past means NOTHING what we say in the future means NOTHING. EVERYTHING is at the guidance of that health professional.

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    Iodine and Candida treatment

    In 1953 Dr Orian Truss discovered the devastating effects of antibiotics in an Alabama (USA) hospital. During a ward round Truss was intrigued by a gaunt, apparently elderly man who was obviously dying. However, he was only in his forties and in hospital for four months. No specialist had been able to make a diagnosis. Out of curiosity Truss asked the patient when he was last completely well.

    The man answered that he was well until six months before when he had cut his finger. He had received antibiotics for this. Shortly afterwards he developed diarrhea and his health deteriorated. Truss had seen before how antibiotics cause diarrhea. It was known that Candida was opportunistic and thrived in debilitated patients, but now Truss wondered if it might not be the other way round, that Candida actually caused the debilitated condition.

    He had read that potassium iodide solution could be used to treat Candida infestation of the blood. So he put the patient on six to eight drops of Lugol's solution four times a day for 3 weeks and soon the patient was again completely well.

    Soon afterwards he had a female patient with a stuffy nose, a throbbing headache, vaginitis and severe depression. To his amazement all her problems immediately cleared with Candida treatment. Sometime later he saw a female patient who had been schizophrenic for six years with hundreds of electroshock treatments and massive drug dosages. He started treating the woman for sinus allergies with a Candida remedy. Soon she had recovered mentally and physically, and remained well.

    From then on he treated his patients against Candida at the slightest indication of its presence. Many of his patients made remarkable recoveries from most unusual conditions, including menstrual problems, hyperactivity, learning disabilities, autism, schizophrenia, multiple sclerosis and auto-immune diseases such as Crohn's disease and lupus erythematosus.

    Every experienced naturopath can relate similar success stories. Also some alternative medical practitioners have realized the curative potential of anti-Candida therapy, as for instance Dr William Crook who wrote several books about the successful treatment of allergies and hyperactive children.

    6 verticle drops, that would be 37.5 mg of Lugol's 5% solution. At 4 times a day that would be about 150 milligrams of iodine a day. 8 drops four times a day would be about 200 mg's a day. t2t

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadsauce View Post
    I worry about new visitors to MDA coming across this thread, reading the garbage about "Chemtrails" being touted by "honoured visitors"(???) and feeling that everything here posted is also by nutters.. SOME of this thread comes over as hysterical ranting - not easy to take that seriously.
    Right. Cavemen built Stonehenge, Melinda Gates is plotting to "depopulate" the world, and airplanes are deliberately dousing us with toxic substances. The person who believes this stuff is the one people turn to for advice on taking iodine supplementation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radialhead View Post
    Grizz calling everyone who disagrees with him a troll is very tedious.
    T2T brings up this chemtrail nonsense, then admits he spent most of his life believing the pyramids & Stonehenge were built by aliens. Grizz believed what he said about the chemtrails without question. So bearing that in mind, how can anyone now trust Grizz's 'research'? He's proven he's happy to take the word of someone who's as close to being a self-proclaimed nutcase as you can get, & pass that on as fact, without any attempt to verify it. Has he done the same with some/most of the iodine information?

    All I've done in this thread is try to point out to Grizz that he's in danger of losing all credibility. I believe he's now done that, & readers need to do their own research to confirm anything he says rather than assuming he's done all the hard work.

    Even if common sense & a basic understanding of flight paths, holding patterns, jet engines & atmospherics don't help, it takes very little Googling to discover it's a load of rubbish.

    It turns out the person I thought was rigorously examining all the evidence was probably doing no such thing. Such is life.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoss2626 View Post
    Grizz, You do come off as a bully at times, rude at other times. I am afraid that, at this point, you are alienating most of the people whom you might help. I am humbly asking that you do pause to consider your tone and manner and how it is affecting your credibility. Why not let Iodine have center stage instead of your ego?
    Quote Originally Posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
    +1 Grizz, I agree with these posts. It is time to take a break from your desire to see everyone take iodine. Your antagonists do have everyone else's interests at heart and I think your all inclusive attitude as to your opinion rubs them the wrong way.
    All kidding aside, I do have the best interests of the members of this forum and the credibility of the forum at heart. I care about people not hurting themselves by extreme dosing they may or may not need. And I am concerned that any new member would find the whole concept of Primal to be a joke if this was the first thread they happened upon.

    Quote Originally Posted by mom5booklover View Post
    Please...Please....Please take a few deep breaths and relax. There will always be those who disagree with us on Iodine. You can't win them all to our cause but you will scare alot of them away if you don't stop reporting everyone who disagrees with you.........
    I am worried that some of the advice you are giving may be misleading and a little unrealistic.
    If I were new here and knew nothing of iodine......and had clicked on this thread by chance I would STAY SO FAR AWAY FROM IODINE for fear of becoming a paranoid crazy person who paints thier genitals with iodine and can't take any criticizm.
    Even a non "TROLL!" says the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by breadsauce View Post
    There you go again. Either do as you say, or don't take iodine at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by breadsauce View Post
    I'm not at all sure that Grizz IS the "leader"of this thread - it was actually, if I remember correctly, started by Bosnic and somehow got hijacked into an evangelical pro-Brownstein stance - which is NOT what everyone wanting to learn about the benefits of iodine necessarily want or believe.
    There is no need for bullies to insist that their way is the only way - reminds me rather of the Taliban!
    Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
    However, it is my honest opinion... and the opinion of some doctors who formerly supported high dose iodine supplementation, that those high doses are neither necessary nor healthy. And I have the right to express that opinion here, as well as provide evidence that supports that belief.
    I also believe that promoting any course of supplementation that is so harsh that it could put someone in "the hospital with a thyroid storm" or cause "people [to lose] days or weeks of work because they got seriously sick" is a seriously irresponsible thing to do via the internet. Especially when the person promoting it tells people with already medically diagnosed Thyroid conditions that they can do this and just quit their meds... a potentially very dangerous situation.

    Also... I see that Grizz has addressed everyone's "bullying" here but his own.
    Telling someone you will laugh when they end up in the hospital
    for not doing exactly as you say is certainly exactly that type of behavior much more than banter about the lack of validity of patently false information being passed off as fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    Do we let everyone do iodine THEIR WAY (by gosh & by golly) and if they end up in the hospital tell them they should have followed documented doctors orders? Breadsauce is our prime renegade example here.
    Since when do people need your permission, Grizz? Breadsauce isn't a "renegade" from anything. He can make his own decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoss2626 View Post
    People are adults, responsible for their own actions. Period. You are not the Iodine police.
    So are you ok driving away people who might otherwise benefit from Iodine, as long as you can continue with your harsh manner and posts? It appears that you care more about your (harsh) way of communicating than helping others.
    See?

    Quote Originally Posted by mom5booklover View Post
    There is no reason for you to take it personally when someone chooses not to take your advice. Take a chill pill and do what you do best. Put the info out there for people to see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    So it is written & so it shall be done. This represents our new policy. Grizz
    Wow! Who died and made you king of policy making?

    Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
    The "consult a physician" part seems to be at great odds with the "never trust a doctor part".

    I might find some value in it if all of that information were upfront. And if equal time were given to the doctors who have concerns about the harmful effects of high dose iodine supplementation.
    As it stands you seem to base the entirety of your arguments against what other respected doctors have to say on the information of just a couple of cherry picked doctors that you agree with.
    Also... the tone of your writing is ridiculously inflammatory at times with the emboldened statements and bright colors. It looks like a side show snake oil salesmen wrote the pitch.
    Alarmist propaganda is just misleading. And what I'm seeing is alarmist propaganda.
    Over reaching claims are simply overreaching claims. Pandemics! And a list of vague symptoms as long as my arm... Statistics that are not based anywhere near reality... like the 90% of women have fibrocistic breast disease and that it leads directly to breast cancer (this statistic is grossly out of line with actual scientific studies).

    Good honest information doesn't need to be so fraught with drama.
    No, it doesn't. Bad information, however, is much easier to sell with lots of drama.

    Don't get me wrong. I do not believe that Grizz is anything but sincere in his desire to help people. He is just massively misinformed and people should not be counting on him to have all the facts straight. He obviously believes in some pretty dubious source material. Do your own research and consult your doctor. They don't bite, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2t View Post
    In 1953 Dr Orian Truss virginities and severe depression.
    Virginities??!! What sort of disease is that??!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post



    No, it doesn't. Bad information, however, is much easier to sell with lots of drama.

    Don't get me wrong. I do not believe that Grizz is anything but sincere in his desire to help people. He is just massively misinformed and people should not be counting on him to have all the facts straight. He obviously believes in some pretty dubious source material. Do your own research and consult your doctor. They don't bite, really.
    I also believe that Grizz has good at heart.. But he is doing huge damage coming over as such a bully / bigot / etc etc.

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    Update.

    My iodine patch has now lasted for over 14 hours, quite clearly. One drop of 3% Lugol's in water , 3 times a week. 2 brazil nuts daily. Good food , D3 sups. And NO TRIP TO HOSPITAL, GRIZZ! No zits, no bloating, no problems.

    PLEASE - stick to YOUR protocol - and we will do as we want. Thanks .

    @ paleobird, radialhead, cori and ALL OF GRIZZ"S other trolls (???!!!) - thanks for your common sense and good humour, and balance. We might get through , eventually....
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2t View Post
    Here is another film about Aluminum, I mean chemtrails. I need a drink...
    Quote Originally Posted by breadsauce View Post
    Virginities??!! What sort of disease is that??!!
    t2t went back and changed it to vaginitis. Maybe the "honored guest" has already had one too many today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    He went back and changed it to vaginitis. Maybe the "honored guest" has already had one too many today.
    Well, thank God for that! As a male (who takes iodine) it is probably something I shall never suffer from. Now, vertiginous - I do suffer badly! ~(I suffered from virginities for some years in my teens, too!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by t2t View Post
    In 1953 Dr Orian Truss discovered the devastating effects of antibiotics in an Alabama (USA) hospital. During a ward round Truss was intrigued by a gaunt, apparently elderly man who was obviously dying. However, he was only in his forties and in hospital for four months. No specialist had been able to make a diagnosis. Out of curiosity Truss asked the patient when he was last completely well.

    The man answered that he was well until six months before when he had cut his finger. He had received antibiotics for this. Shortly afterwards he developed diarrhea and his health deteriorated. Truss had seen before how antibiotics cause diarrhea. It was known that Candida was opportunistic and thrived in debilitated patients, but now Truss wondered if it might not be the other way round, that Candida actually caused the debilitated condition.

    He had read that potassium iodide solution could be used to treat Candida infestation of the blood. So he put the patient on six to eight drops of Lugol's solution four times a day for 3 weeks and soon the patient was again completely well.

    Soon afterwards he had a female patient with a stuffy nose, a throbbing headache, vaginitis and severe depression. To his amazement all her problems immediately cleared with Candida treatment. Sometime later he saw a female patient who had been schizophrenic for six years with hundreds of electroshock treatments and massive drug dosages. He started treating the woman for sinus allergies with a Candida remedy. Soon she had recovered mentally and physically, and remained well.

    From then on he treated his patients against Candida at the slightest indication of its presence. Many of his patients made remarkable recoveries from most unusual conditions, including menstrual problems, hyperactivity, learning disabilities, autism, schizophrenia, multiple sclerosis and auto-immune diseases such as Crohn's disease and lupus erythematosus.

    Every experienced naturopath can relate similar success stories. Also some alternative medical practitioners have realized the curative potential of anti-Candida therapy, as for instance Dr William Crook who wrote several books about the successful treatment of allergies and hyperactive children.

    6 verticle drops, that would be 37.5 mg of Lugol's 5% solution. At 4 times a day that would be about 150 milligrams of iodine a day. 8 drops four times a day would be about 200 mg's a day. t2t
    Perhaps you would like to provide a link or source for this information so that it may be seen in context to other information... or at least be available for those interesting in checking source credibility.

    Otherwise credibility will have to be taken at face value, which is slim indeed...
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    I don't like being "recruited" as one of Grizz's inner circle. If anyone remembers, I came in demanding a lot of scientific proof. It was only the appearance of LynneF that lent any sanity to all this and convinced me that Iodine was probably OK, or at least it wouldn't harm me that much. Hopefully her book will be less imposing.

    That said, I'm not taking full ATP cofactors. I'm only taking about a half-dose worth. A couple times, I would feel somewhat shaky after taking it. Is this the "flush" I hear about? If so, I'm very afraid to take the full ATP pill. I'd rather limit my iodine intake to under 10 mg and scale the supplements accordingly.

    The one warning I'm worried about is for anyone who may have undiagnosed thyroid issues. Wouldn't all this iodine really be a problem in that case? Yes, 90% of us may not experience anything, but I can see Grizz not wanting to take chances. Now, if only he would SAY it like that without going crackpot...

    Paleo girl, congrats on nipping the acne! I can't seem to find a happy balance. If I just brush on Lugol's I get no effect. If I apply Lugol's with a soaked band-aid I kill an entire layer of skin. I do not want to take chances with my face or chest, so I still use Tazorac (Rx) which works pretty well.
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