Iodine Anyone? page 325

[t2t]

Hi Grizz,

Here is a post by abc girl about the prostate and iodine painting a long time ago.
This doctor used Almond oil. I will post my reply that I made to Abcxyz on my next post.
As you will see a doctor used 10% iodine set in alcohol to treat Burn victims. How could such a strong iodine be used on 2nd and 3rd degree burn patients? I will try to answer that at the end of my next post. t2t

"Effects of Iodine on enlarged prostate."

By L. Lewis, M.D., Medical World, February 1892.

I'm gonna key in some of what he says. He's got some things a bit screwy (he says beans, potatoes, and watercress are good sources of dietary iodine) so I'm leaving those bits out -- click the link to read.

Love what he wrote about surgery!

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The prostate "is largely composed of involuntary circular muscular fibres; but there is also much true glandular structure imbedded in the substance. Both these components are prone to overgrowth, the fibrous and muscular tissues becoming hypertrophied, just as occurs in fibroid tumors of the uterus."

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"The influence of iodine in glandular swelling is almost proverbial . . . in disease it seems to assist in the breaking down and absorption of precocious tissues. Strumous glands, enlarged tonsils, parotid and bronchial glands, bub bronchocele, epididymitis, in fact most glandular hypertrophies, improve under iodine, and there are analogous reasons for expecting that it would be remedial in the earlier stages of enlarged prostate. The writer has seen cases of impeded micturition, distinctly referable to the prostate, improve under its influence, and rectal examination has convinced him of diminution in the swelling. Surgical interference has not, up to now, accomplished much, excepting, of course, the necessary but temporary relief afforded by the catheter; and we are justified in seeking and searching all methods, old or new, that are likely to prove of even the smallest service. Iodides, while helping other glandular swellings, have no tangible effect in this . . . . The liquor iodi comp. is a convenient form of its administration. Ten minums in a wineglass-ful of water may be given three times a day (unless it produce iodism) and an iodine paint (one drachm to an ounce of almond oil), applied to the perineum, is a useful adjunct. Tincture of iodine may be used in the same dose, but it is apt to derange the stomach."

hey, men, take care of your equipment! at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1338700)

[t2t]

Yes note that he says 3 times a day painting iodine on the perineum, so he suggests Almond oil.

Thanks for the info abcxyz!

t2t

For burn victims it was once a day with 10% straight iodine set in alcohol, no oil. I would have thought that a bit much for the damaged tender, very sensitive skin that hadn't suffered nerve damage from severe burns. At any rate mine is 5% straight elemental iodine set in alcohol, every other day near that area. I make my iodine with golden grain so it is not quite as pure but then I used 5% iodine set in it and would thin it very rapidly on my loins. But I must say that Grizz's Grapeseed oil is incredible for no burn at all!

t2t

Treatment of Burns by Tincture of Iodine
By O. F. MERCIER, M.D., Montreal
THE CANADIAN NURSE:
a Monthly Journal for the Nursing Profession in Canada
Editor and Business Manager MISS HELEN RANDAL, R.N.
VOL. XVII. VANCOUVER, B.C., MARCH, 1921 No. 3 NURSES, 1920-1921

For a couple of years past, convinced (by an accidental experience)
of the value of the tincture of Iodine in the treatment and cure of burns,
I have adopted its use systematically in my hospital service, as well as
in my civil practice ; and to-day, after different experiences in a number
of varying- cases, from the slightest to the most severe, I thought it
would be advisable to appear here before your honorable meeting and
give you my sincere opinion upon this treatment.
I have said that my first experience was an accidental one. and I
should have added that this experience was obtained upon myself.
One day I had the misfortune to burn a small spot, of about three-
quarters of an inch diameter, upon the palmar surface of my left hand ;
this burn was of the second degree, and excessively painful. Having on
hand in my office a small bottle of the 10 per cent, tincture of iodine, I
covered the burn with it. Of course, the application was painful, but
I felt immediately a complete relief it stopped the pain at once ; and
the next morning I was so well that, having some operations to perform
at the Xotre Dame Hospital, I was able to attend to my duty and oper
ate that morning upon several cases which were on my list, and that
without the least pain. I could wash, brush my hands, keep them cov
ered with the rubber gloves for a few hours, without any inconvenience ;
and the blister never burst, but dried up in two or three days, leaving
under it a tissue of new formation of normal coloration and suppleness.
Judging from this result, and not knowing that this treatment had
already been tested by Baumgarten in France, I started using it sys
tematically in the Xotre Dame Hospital, having in my mind that, if it
could do for a small thing, most probably it would be satisfactory in
more severe cases. The result, fortunately, confirmed to the utmost my
expectations, and to-day I am here in a position to tell you that I con
sider it to be the best treatment I ever used against this accidental
disease.
As far as I can understand, the treatment was rejected in France
on account of the fear that it might be injurious to the kidneys; but in
all the different cases in which I have used it I have constantly watched
closely the function of that organ, and in no case could I detect any
trouble, clinical, functional or chemical. In fact, in one of my last cases,
the patient was a young lad of about twelve years, who was certainly
burnt over at least the half of the surface of his whole body, and even
in that case no trouble whatever could be detected with his kidneys.
Another objection that one can raise is the pain caused by the appli
cation. I have, of course, to admit that the treatment is painful during
its application and for the few minutes (say four or five) following it;
but as soon as the pain so caused is over, the pain that always accom
panies the burn is completely suppressed and the patient feels a complete
relief. In one case, to which I would like to draw your attention, a
woman, of about forty years old, having had her two arms, forearms
and hands badly burned to the second degree, and, in some spots, going
as far as the third degree, I tried treating her on one arm with anti
septic and anaesthetic ointment, and on the other one with the tincture of
iodine, and she herself asked to have both arms treated with the iodine,
feeling so much difference in the comfort caused by the above treatment
compared with the ordinary antiseptic applications.
At about the same time a man was brought into the hospital, ward
St. Joseph, with a bad burn covering the surface of his face and head,
neck and shoulders, hands and wrists. In this case I started the iodine
treatment immediately after his entry in the hospital. The temperature,
which went high from the start (104 degrees), was brought down to
the normal in four days. Eight days after the accident the crust formed
by the burn, epidermis hardened by the fluid, started to fall off, and
fourteen days after the accident he was able to leave the hospital, com
pletely cured, with a fine pink, supple, new skin, replacing all the one
that was destroyed by the burn.

We use it for disinfecting the skin before operations This is another application in which I sincerely believe it is going to prove again that it is the most important, the most
powerful, and the most harmless of all antiseptics.

I am convinced that Dr. Mercier used a very pure, smooth form of iodine set in 90 to 99 % alcohol much like Magnascent Iodine was made with.

Note: that the Dr. Mercier strongly discouraged the use of methylated spirit (alcohol), this was wood alcohol that would cause blindness if ingested.

t2t

For the whole article go here:

Re: hey, men, take care of your equipment! at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1339007)

BTW the original link for this article was erased by google awhile back but if you can get to the THE CANADIAN NURSE:
a Monthly Journal for the Nursing Profession in Canada
Editor and Business Manager MISS HELEN RANDAL, R.N.
VOL. XVII. VANCOUVER, B.C., MARCH, 1921 No. 3 NURSES, 1920-1921

You will see it is there.

t2t

[hebsie]

Could you expand on this and/or provide some source info?

...there was a discussion about this at ATM --> Carnitine suppresses thyroid function?. Nothing conclusive, but some interesting points just the same...hebs

[asmitty]

I ordered all the requisite supplements. Just a note in case anyone else has digestive issues.

ATP cofactors tablets contain Croscarmellose sodium, which might be an issue for the intestinal track....
Croscarmellose Sodium Side Effects | LIVESTRONG.COM


If anyone else is trying to heal their gut, I found these instead. They contain the exact same active ingredients, and required 100mg b-2 and 500mg b-3, but no problematic fillers.


B-2 100mg
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o00_s00_i04

and

B-3 500mg as inositol hexanicotinate
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o02_s00_i00

[bloodorchid]

Bloodorchid & dirlot,

Of course a multi has all of the required supplements, but just not enough of each. Look at the dosage in your supplement bottle and compare to the required dosage. You will see the amount is totally inadequate. If you know of a multi that has the correct supplement at the correct dosage, let me know the brand so we can recommend it for everyone. Dr. Brownstein did assume that we would be getting a portion of our needed supplements with food, so the required supplements list takes food into consideration.

- - ½ tsp Natural Celtic Salt, Himalayan Pink Salt, Redmonds Salt or Hawaiin black salt
- - - If the sea salt is pure white, it is unacceptable (minerals have been stripped out )
- - 200 mcg selenium (L-selenomethionine preferred)
- - 400 mg Magnesium - Glycinate preferred
- - 2,000mg Vitamin C - Ester-C preferred
- - ATP Cofactors caplet contains both 100mg B2 & 500mg B3 non-flushing in the correct ratio. Take 1 caplet with iodine up to 50mg, then another caplet for each 50 mg iodine,

If your multi has the correct mg of B2, B3, C, mag & selenium then go for it. I know that multi vitamins just don't have enough of each. Read the label on the bottle carefully. It is essential to get enough of each supplement.

Vitamin D3 is indeed very important, but not part of the iodine protocol.

You can do it your way, or follow doctors orders. Most of us prefer to follow doctors orders so we don't get into nasty thyroid problems . I'm sure you have seen the horror stories that have happened to people taking iodine without the required supplements. Things like hyperthyroidism, thyroid storm, Hashimotos Disease, trips to the emergency room. DON'T PLAY GAMES WITH YOUR THYROID. This is a very serious subject. If you do not want to follow doctors orders, then I suggest that you do not take iodine at all.

Grizz

d3 & c, granted, i take those as well. but a good multi will have the full spectrum of necessary supps (ie all the Bs and minerals)

of course, the price reflects that

[Grizz]

I ordered all the requisite supplements. Just a note in case anyone else has digestive issues.

ATP cofactors tablets contain Croscarmellose sodium, which might be an issue for the intestinal track....
Croscarmellose Sodium Side Effects | LIVESTRONG.COM


If anyone else is trying to heal their gut, I found these instead. They contain the exact same active ingredients, and required 100mg b-2 and 500mg b-3, but no problematic fillers.


B-2 100mg
Amazon.com: Nature's Way Vitamin B2, 100 mg Riboflavin, 100 Capsules: Health & Personal Care

and

B-3 500mg as inositol hexanicotinate
Amazon.com: Nature's Bounty Flush Free Niacin 500 Mg, 120-Count: Health & Personal Care

asmitty,
Thank you for the tip. I'll add this to Iodine References.

Grizz

[Grizz]

d3 & c, granted, i take those as well. but a good multi will have the full spectrum of necessary supps (ie all the Bs and minerals)

of course, the price reflects that

Once again, please tell us exactly which Multi provides ALL of the required iodine supplements. "Good" is not a brand name. Do you have a link? What is the exact brand name of your "good" multi?
- - ½ tsp Natural Celtic Salt, Himalayan Pink Salt, Redmonds Salt or Hawaiin black salt
- - - If the sea salt is pure white, it is unacceptable (minerals have been stripped out )
- - 200 mcg selenium (L-selenomethionine preferred)
- - 400 mg Magnesium - Glycinate preferred
- - 2,000mg Vitamin C - Ester-C preferred
- - ATP Cofactors caplet contains both 100mg B2 & 500mg B3 non-flushing in the correct ratio. Take 1 caplet with iodine up to 50mg, then another caplet for each 50 mg iodine,

No such multi-vitamin exists - I have already searched. They all fail to provide the required dosages.

Grizz

[bloodorchid]

you caught me, i don't know any vitamin brand that includes salt

oh well, i tried being helpful

[Grizz]

you caught me, i don't know any vitamin brand that includes salt

oh well, i tried being helpful

Salt is not a problem finding. Tell us which multi-vitamin you are talking about-the brand name.

Grizz

[oxide]

Grizz, your constant reptition of the required supplements list DOCTOR'S ORDERS DAMMIT makes you look like a wild-eyed Internet freakizoid.

In an earlier list, you said that two Brazil nuts were a good source of the selenium instead of yet ANOTHER pill, so I'm sticking with the nuts.

Yesterday, I drank my first Lugol's. One drop in 8 oz water, and I drank about 1/6 of it. No effects that I could tell. I forgot it this morning, but I'll drink about 1/6th this evening and start up again. Confession: I have the ATP cofactors but I'm not taking them yet. I'm taking a double dose of the regular B vitamin, which is about half the ATP cofactors. I'll tritrate it up with the iodine dosage.

I have to give the moles research a break for about a week, sorry.
If I use the bigger band-aid I damage the skin, but I get a good scab layer and that peels off a bit of mole.
If I use a tiny home-made spot band-aid, or direct drops, or grapeseed oil, my skin is better but I get no good scab and no peel.
It's almost as if I have to take out layers of skin along with the mole.
I've been at this for two months and I can't tell what my progress is because my skin is either red from peeling, or brown from the iodone.
So I'm going to let everything heal and peel to see if there is any actual progress, then start applying iodine again.

Dave RN, if you have to get up only once at night, isn't that normal? It's pretty normal for me.