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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    PaleoGirl,
    You are showing progress. Getting rid of the Bromoderma was a major win, and your eyelashes coming back is another great sign, I think we can agree that you have passed through the worst of your detox symptoms. Are you taking ALL of your required supplments?
    - - Ĺ tsp Natural Celtic Salt
    - - 200 mcg selenium (L-selenomethionine preferred)
    - - 400 mcg Magnesium - Glycinate preferred
    - - 2,000mg Vitamin C - Ester-C preferred
    - - ATP Cofactors - contains B2 & B3 in the correct ratio
    IMO, I think you should go forward on your iodine supplements and increase the dosage slightly each week. If you get any more detox symptoms, then salt flush, go back to a prior dosage and pulse dose a few times. However you are properly titrating slow enough that I really don't think you will see any more detox illness. We need to get your dosage up high enough to help correct your IC. Which is worse, a few temporary detox symptoms or the pain of your IC? Getting your iodine levels high enough to send iodine into the urine is said to help IC.
    Grizz, yup, I am taking all of the required supplements. I don't have the ATP Co Factors, but am taking the recommended dosages of B2 and B3 (the full flush niacin!). I'm taking more than 400mg of magnesium most days, split between magnesium citrate and the Natural Calm. I just have regular selenium right now, but will get the L-selenomethionine next. I admittedly do not take the salt every day. I don't know, it just doesn't seem to help me! But I do use the good pink Himalayan salt on all of my food.
    The only detox symptom I still seem to be getting from the iodine dose that I'm on is bloat. But then again, just about everything makes me bloat since the onset of the IC, so it could be anything. I recently started taking a few new supplements for adrenal fatigue all at once, and any one of those could be the culprit. I've stopped taking all but one of them for now to see.

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    You are just too attractive to be suffering from IC - grrrr. I feel for you, as I've heard from a friend how bad IC can get. His wife has IC and they spend over $3,000 a year on medications for it. I've done some research for him on IC. It is an autoimmune disease where the body attacks the walls of the bladder. Like all autoimmune diseases we need to fix the immune system. Iodine is certainly a great step in the right direction. Are you also taking Vitamin D3? Most folks need 10,000 IU Vitamin D3 Gelcaps (with olive oil ) to get their 25(oh)D blood level up to 70 to 100 ng/ml optimum. Vitamin D3 is essential for your immune system. You ca get the at-home blood test kit for $65 - see below my sig line.
    Actually, the only symptom I still have from IC now is bloat. I credit this to my healthy eating habits and antioxidant supplementation. I had ALL of the symptoms at first - feeling like I had a UTI (frequent urination, burning feeling in the bladder, but consistently negative tests for UTIs). When I researched online and figured out what it must be, I felt like my life was ending, it was beyond depressing. I went to my GP, who agreed that that was what it sounded like. I got an ultrasound and was referred to a specialist. However, prior to getting the ultrasound, I began supplementing with coconut oil (that first coconut oil quote that you posted from Google is actually mine, from many pages back in this thread!), and I found that as long as I spread the doses out throughout the day, the UTI symptoms would not come back. I did this for months, and then I experimented with taking less and less, and eventually taking none at all, and the symptoms still did not return.
    By the time I got the ultrasound and saw the specialist, he said that my bladder looked fine. I told him about the coconut oil, and he said that if it was helping me, to keep on doing it. I think that starting to take coconut oil very shortly after the appearance of the symptoms helped my bladder tremendously.
    However, the bloat has never gone. And it only showed up when the IC did. For someone who is very into healthy eating (obviously, I'm here!) and working out, this is very frustrating. Prior to the IC, I was in the best shape of my life, body fat at 14%, great muscle tone, nearly visible abs. Now no amount of healthy eating and working out changes my body or my weight, the bloat has taken over my body completely. The only help I found for it was an amphetamine prescribed to me for ADD. However, it started making my hair fall out after a few months, so I've stopped taking it, and all of the bloat came back. I feel more like myself off the drug anyway, and I realized that I was absolutely killing my adrenals anyway.

    As for the Vitamin D, I've been supplementing with 10,000 IU of D3 since last year. I got my level checked in December along with my other yearly bloodwork, and my doctor was astonished that my level was 69 ng/ml. He said it was the highest he had ever seen. Since then, I've dropped the dosage down to 5000 IU a day, and am also taking a blend of fermented cod liver oil and butter oil.

    My doctor will pretty much prescribe me anything that I ask him for, provided that I have good enough evidence to back it up. LDN does sound promising, and I've heard of naltrexone before, but before I start taking another medication, I'd like to do whatever I can naturally to try and get this under control.

    One thing that seems to be promising is cold thermogenesis. Last night I finally managed to get the water in the tub down cold enough to be in the recommended range (50s), and was able to stay in for almost 20 minutes. For a few hours afterwards, I was urinating constantly. I am noticeably less bloated today than yesterday. I think there may be some real promise there with getting my body back to the way it ought to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    PaleoGirl,
    Here are some more of my notes on IC:


    One last thing, this works but is obscenely expensive:

    I'm hopeful we can come up with a far less expensive treatment than Elmiron.

    When did you first get IC, and what have you done for it in the past?


    After I've had my 1st cup of coffee with the salt, I'm drinking liquids for the rest of the day, but I like how you are doing it. I think you are getting a better result.

    Hope this helps,
    Grizz
    I actually did try D-Mannose prior to the coconut oil, and it didn't help me.

    There was a perfect storm that led to my getting IC - I'll send you a PM about that. I've had it since September of last year. As for what I've done for it in the past, see my last post.
    Perhaps I will keep at it with the salt. It's just that the flushes didn't do anything to help with my detox symptoms when they were bad before. It only increased the bloat, even though I was doing them properly.

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    Horses Poisoned by Fluoride ! ! !
    * 6 horses & 4 dogs have died from Chronic Fluoride Poisining
    * Notice how screwed up their teeth have become ! It is called Dental Fluorisis. Fluoride good for teeth ? ? What a horrible lie.
    ( We just tossed out our fluoride toothpaste and replaced it with fluoride free toothpaste)
    Note: It is impossible to buy fluoride free toothpaste at Walmart. Every brand has fluoride in it! We had to order it on-line.

    This is just a heart breaking video.
    Poisoned Horses Excerpts - YouTube

    WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING TO AMERICA ? ? ?

    Teeth impacted by fluorosis have visible discoloration, ranging from white spots to brown and black stains.

    Teeth with fluorosis also have an increased porosity of the enamel. In the milder forms, the porosity is mostly limited to the sub-surface enamel, whereas in the more advanced forms, the porosity impacts the surface enamel as well, resulting in extensive pitting, chipping, fracturing, and decay of the teeth.

    The discoloration induced by fluorosis - particularly in its advanced forms - can cause significant embarrassment and stress to the impacted child, resulting in adverse effects on esteem, emotional health, and career success.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control, 32% of American children now have some form of dental fluorosis, with 2 to 4% of children having the moderate to severe stages (CDC 2005).

    While proponents of water fluoridation dismiss dental fluorosis as being simply a "cosmetic effect," recent research indicates that the rate of bone fracture among children with fluorosis (even in the mild forms) is higher than the bone fracture rates among children with no fluorosis.
    See photo:
    Dental Fluorosis
    More photos of Dental Fluorosis in children !
    http://www.fluoridation.com/fluorosis.htm

    WHERE IS THE EPA ON THIS !

    Grizz
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinoHunter View Post
    Ive just started adding Fulvic Acid Minerals to my daily routine. still doing lots of research on them but am considering the possibility that they may be a good (possibly even superior) substitute for the natural salt part of the protocol. especially for someone like my Hubby who makes the most gruesome faces when I even suggest taking it

    This is what was listed on the sellers site for the one I got
    Fulvic Minerals the most effective and powerful supplement available.

    Re-mineralizing the body is one of the keys to longevity, health and vitality.
    The benefits and outstanding results from Fulvic Minerals are legion.
    Almost all of us are deficient in minerals as the soil is mostly depleted due to chemical farming practices, Fulvic is the fastest, easiest way re-mineralize and detoxify.
    We know if we are low on the macro nutrients like food and water because we get hungry and thirsty. The first we know about running low on micro nutrients, like minerals, is when we get ill. A healthy body needs the full complement of nutrients including all the trace minerals, rare earths, amino acids, phyto-nutrients and other elements that naturally used to occur in soil and should be provided by the foods we eat. Fulvic minerals provides the body with those vital missing components.

    Fulvic Minerals are natural safe and pure, they contain fulvic and humic acids which provide the macro and micro minerals, the electrolytes, amino acids and micro nutrients. Fuvic minerals increases the body's alkalinity and decreases calcifications.

    Fulvic Minerals. The benefits.
    Many people find that it:
    * Increases Energy levels
    * Boosts concentration and mental clarity
    * Gives a sense of well-being and a feeling of comfort in the body
    * Increases memory & brain function
    * Can help people to overcome alzheimer's and dementia
    * Balances, restores, and rejuvenates cells
    * Boosts the immune system
    * Increases circulation
    * Balances hormones along with the thyroid and thymus glands
    * Protects against free radical damage
    * Detoxifies the body by eliminating heavy metals
    * Helps neutralize toxins and radiation
    * Increases the speed of healing

    It creates an inhospitable environment for cancer, viruses, bacteria and fungal infections such as candida. Allows the body to detoxify. Can end night time urination( also try bee pollen), supports and balances the respiratory, reproductive, digestive, circulatory, skeletal/muscular, nervous, lymphatic, endocrine and excretory systems

    Over eating can be caused by the body searching for the minerals it needs, telling us we are still hungry. When Fulvic provides these minerals people often experience a return to healthier eating habits and return to their ideal natural weight.
    Dosage :
    Take in a large glass of chlorine free water
    One 50ml bottle will last 4 months at the standard dose. 7 drops per day.


    Thereís lots of sites with info but most of them are selling it so Iím not sure if its worth posting here? I had found a really informative "non-sales" site but of course I cant find it now but there sounds like its got a LOT of benefits, including that it helps your body to use other things your taking (Like iodine!) more effectively.
    DinoHunter, thanks for this information. It sounds very promising! I will look into it. I wonder if these minerals would provide what is missing from distilled or reverse osmosis water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    PaleoGirl,

    We NAILED IT! Here is even more definitive evidence that fluoride poisoning is causing your Interstitial Cystitis [IC] !



    All the more reason to go forward on your iodine detox program,
    Grizz
    Grizz, thanks so much for all of your research on IC! I do think that fluoride is absolutely evil. I stopped using fluoridated toothpaste years ago, and am now using a mix of coconut oil and baking soda and loving it.
    I have a lot of those symptoms of fluoride poisoning, and some of them have been around since I was a teenager. I've suffered with depression off and on for probably 20 years, tend to get headaches out of nowhere, have brain fog, fatigue, and actually now have tinnitus. That was from a few days of taking vicodin after knee surgery 2 months ago though, but maybe that wouldn't have happened w/out all of the fluoridated water.
    However, some of the symptoms that I have of fluoride poisoning are also the same as mercury poisoning and adrenal fatigue.
    I got all of my mercury fillings out last year, and I can connect the last few big molar filling removals with starting to feel very depressed, hopeless and tired all of the time. Chlorella didn't agree with me, so I'm looking to iodine to help me detox the mercury. That the Fulvic Acid Minerals also state that they help heavy metal detox sounds promising!
    I'll look into a reverse osmosis filter, and maybe for now just go stock up on distilled water.
    I hate that the government can poison us against our will!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    ( We just tossed out our fluoride toothpaste and replaced it with fluoride free toothpaste)
    Note: It is impossible to buy fluoride free toothpaste at Walmart. Every brand has fluoride in it! We had to order it on-line.
    Grizz, you should also make sure that your toothpaste doesn't contain glycerin. This will put a coating on your teeth that will prevent your body from being able to keep them healthy naturally. Just like doctors only treat the symptoms of illness, and not the cause, dentists do the same. Our teeth can be healed of cavities and the like, just the same as our bones can repair themselves.
    If interested, check out this book on Amazon: Amazon.com: Cure Tooth Decay: Remineralize Cavities and Repair Your Teeth Naturally with Good Food [Second Edition] (9780982021323): Ramiel Nagel, D.D.S. Timothy Gallagher: Books
    I haven't read it yet, but have read about the concepts in it on multiple websites over the years. It's part of the reason I take butter oil, for the Vitamin K2. Here's a really good synopsis on Richard Nikoley's site: Vitamin K2, Menatetrenone, Activator X or Whatever...It's Amazing | Free The Animal

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    Earthing

    Another natural thing that I'm trying in addition to cold thermogenesis is earthing.
    Amazon.com: Earthing: The Most Important Health Discovery Ever? (9781591202837): Clinton Ober, Stephen T. Sinatra, Martin Zucker: Books
    It's purported to help with inflammation and provide increased energy and help provide a better night's sleep. The concept is so simple, but makes so much sense. I always feel better when I'm out in nature, so it really resonates with me. I first came across the concept on the Bullet Proof Executive site, but have since heard about it on a Paleo podcast or 2 as well.
    As I type this, I'm sitting on a patio chair in the backyard with my feet in the grass. And despite not taking an amphetamine and not even getting a great night's sleep, I feel wide awake right now and very clear minded.
    Because I don't always have time to sit outside with my feet in the grass (and we have dogs, so finding a "safe" spot can be somewhat of a challenge!!), I just ordered the earthing mat to try out. I have a standing workstation at work, so I can kick my shoes off and stand on it while I'm at work, and use it while lying in bed watching tv at home, etc. It was one of the cheaper earthing products (the bed mat is considerably more expensive), so I figured it was worth giving it a try!

    The amount of supplements that I have in my bedroom is astounding. One of my close friends keeps telling me how unnatural that is, and that I don't even really know what's in them. He thinks that perhaps if I wasn't taking all of these things, I wouldn't be dealing with so many problems. Some of them I really do feel better when I'm taking them though. And of course I'll continue to take the companion iodine supplements. But anything I can do naturally to improve my health is worth it to me. And I think that really does fit in with the primal spirit and lifestyle more than supplementation as well.

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    PaleoGirl,

    I'm extremely impressed with your progress ! I was really worried about your IC symptoms. IMO, if you continue on with Dr. Brownstein's Iodine Protocol and get to the target of 50mg of iodine daily, I suspect the last of your detox problems will fade away.

    Take a look at "Aggressive Iodine Dosages" where JDW bravely bit the bullet to expedite her good health. She and I don't recommend that anyone do this. But sometimes it is best to be a little bit more aggressive.

    Grizz

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    You might try looking for an Ayurveda Toothpaste like what ive got. I have to order it online but the ingredients are so much better & its not really any more exspensive than colgatesugarpaste .
    The brand I got is "Dabur "
    Another option is tooth soap (but hubby dosent like it, think he musta got his mouth washed out a few to many times as a kid LOL)

    Re the Fulvic Acid, ive been taking it with my Iodine 2 X a day (7 drops each time so im taking a double dose daily) since yesterday.
    Theres still a kinda tight/knotted feeling in my lower abdomine but the actual pain is compleatly gone.
    One of the things with the FAM I found said that its supposed to actully help "release" the usability of what ever else your taking & I think its helping my body absorbe/use the iodine better along with the other supliments.
    I also put a few drops into my Chia Tea while it was seeping and WOW,,, My tea turned BLACK.. I like my tea strong but even seeping it for 6-7 minutes has never made it anywhere near that dark (plus I added it just before it was done seeping normally so I saw the reaction) I mean literally, using a Teaspoon to look at the tea, you couldent even see through that small amount of tea. And the flavour was much stronger/richer than normal.. Think ill be making my Chia Tea this way from now on.

    I also added a drop to the Iodine/emu oil solution I apply to my skin and noticed that the Iodine colour seemed to soak into my skin better (instead of just faiding away like it sometimes does)
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    PaleoGirl,
    You are a wealth of great information.
    you should also make sure that your toothpaste doesn't contain glycerin. This will put a coating on your teeth that will prevent your body from being able to keep them healthy naturally.
    You are correct. Our new toothpaste has glycerin in it ! GRRRRRR #%@## Why do these companies always try to SCREW us with bad products. Not only glycerin, but a bunch of other strange ingredients that I can't pronounce. We are being screwed at every turn!

    I stopped using fluoridated toothpaste years ago, and am now using a mix of coconut oil and baking soda and loving it.
    I am going to follow your lead on this. How much coconut oil & baking soda do you use? What kind of container do you put it in?

    Grizz

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