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    HappyPaleoGirl,

    I stumbled into this excellent discussion group on Interstitial Cystitus that I thought would be helpful for you:
    interstitial cystitus - Search - MedHelp

    This site may be helpful for your IC & you might even get some worthwhile tips - let me know what you think.
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    Ive just started adding Fulvic Acid Minerals to my daily routine. still doing lots of research on them but am considering the possibility that they may be a good (possibly even superior) substitute for the natural salt part of the protocol. especially for someone like my Hubby who makes the most gruesome faces when I even suggest taking it

    This is what was listed on the sellers site for the one I got
    Fulvic Minerals the most effective and powerful supplement available.

    Re-mineralizing the body is one of the keys to longevity, health and vitality.
    The benefits and outstanding results from Fulvic Minerals are legion.
    Almost all of us are deficient in minerals as the soil is mostly depleted due to chemical farming practices, Fulvic is the fastest, easiest way re-mineralize and detoxify.
    We know if we are low on the macro nutrients like food and water because we get hungry and thirsty. The first we know about running low on micro nutrients, like minerals, is when we get ill. A healthy body needs the full complement of nutrients including all the trace minerals, rare earths, amino acids, phyto-nutrients and other elements that naturally used to occur in soil and should be provided by the foods we eat. Fulvic minerals provides the body with those vital missing components.

    Fulvic Minerals are natural safe and pure, they contain fulvic and humic acids which provide the macro and micro minerals, the electrolytes, amino acids and micro nutrients. Fuvic minerals increases the body's alkalinity and decreases calcifications.

    Fulvic Minerals. The benefits.
    Many people find that it:
    * Increases Energy levels
    * Boosts concentration and mental clarity
    * Gives a sense of well-being and a feeling of comfort in the body
    * Increases memory & brain function
    * Can help people to overcome alzheimer's and dementia
    * Balances, restores, and rejuvenates cells
    * Boosts the immune system
    * Increases circulation
    * Balances hormones along with the thyroid and thymus glands
    * Protects against free radical damage
    * Detoxifies the body by eliminating heavy metals
    * Helps neutralize toxins and radiation
    * Increases the speed of healing

    It creates an inhospitable environment for cancer, viruses, bacteria and fungal infections such as candida. Allows the body to detoxify. Can end night time urination( also try bee pollen), supports and balances the respiratory, reproductive, digestive, circulatory, skeletal/muscular, nervous, lymphatic, endocrine and excretory systems

    Over eating can be caused by the body searching for the minerals it needs, telling us we are still hungry. When Fulvic provides these minerals people often experience a return to healthier eating habits and return to their ideal natural weight.
    Dosage :
    Take in a large glass of chlorine free water
    One 50ml bottle will last 4 months at the standard dose. 7 drops per day.


    There’s lots of sites with info but most of them are selling it so I’m not sure if its worth posting here? I had found a really informative "non-sales" site but of course I cant find it now but there sounds like its got a LOT of benefits, including that it helps your body to use other things your taking (Like iodine!) more effectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LynneF View Post
    Thanks, Grizz,

    That's a great, detailed picture of a success story. I'll add it to the list!

    If anybody else has a report of symptoms iodine helped, I'm collecting them (anonymously) for publication. Confidentiality assured. Please contact me at lynne@breastcancerchoices.org

    Thanks,
    Lynne
    Lynne,
    I'm glad to have helped. We need to get the word out because there are MILLIONS of women out there suffering untold PAIN & TERROR from a simple iodine deficiency.

    Please, everyone, send Lynne your story to help her get her book published.
    lynne@breastcancerchoices.org

    Lynne, also check out my Testimonials here:
    http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

    If you see any that you like, just click on their name and send them a PM (Private Message). I'm sure they would all love to have their stories in your book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinoHunter View Post
    Ive just started adding Fulvic Acid Minerals to my daily routine. still doing lots of research on them but am considering the possibility that they may be a good (possibly even superior) substitute for the natural salt part of the protocol. especially for someone like my Hubby who makes the most gruesome faces when I even suggest taking it

    This is what was listed on the sellers site for the one I got
    Fulvic Minerals the most effective and powerful supplement available.

    Re-mineralizing the body is one of the keys to longevity, health and vitality.
    The benefits and outstanding results from Fulvic Minerals are legion.
    Almost all of us are deficient in minerals as the soil is mostly depleted due to chemical farming practices, Fulvic is the fastest, easiest way re-mineralize and detoxify.
    We know if we are low on the macro nutrients like food and water because we get hungry and thirsty. The first we know about running low on micro nutrients, like minerals, is when we get ill. A healthy body needs the full complement of nutrients including all the trace minerals, rare earths, amino acids, phyto-nutrients and other elements that naturally used to occur in soil and should be provided by the foods we eat. Fulvic minerals provides the body with those vital missing components.

    Fulvic Minerals are natural safe and pure, they contain fulvic and humic acids which provide the macro and micro minerals, the electrolytes, amino acids and micro nutrients. Fuvic minerals increases the body's alkalinity and decreases calcifications.

    Fulvic Minerals. The benefits.
    Many people find that it:
    * Increases Energy levels
    * Boosts concentration and mental clarity
    * Gives a sense of well-being and a feeling of comfort in the body
    * Increases memory & brain function
    * Can help people to overcome alzheimer's and dementia
    * Balances, restores, and rejuvenates cells
    * Boosts the immune system
    * Increases circulation
    * Balances hormones along with the thyroid and thymus glands
    * Protects against free radical damage
    * Detoxifies the body by eliminating heavy metals
    * Helps neutralize toxins and radiation
    * Increases the speed of healing

    It creates an inhospitable environment for cancer, viruses, bacteria and fungal infections such as candida. Allows the body to detoxify. Can end night time urination( also try bee pollen), supports and balances the respiratory, reproductive, digestive, circulatory, skeletal/muscular, nervous, lymphatic, endocrine and excretory systems

    Over eating can be caused by the body searching for the minerals it needs, telling us we are still hungry. When Fulvic provides these minerals people often experience a return to healthier eating habits and return to their ideal natural weight.
    Dosage :
    Take in a large glass of chlorine free water
    One 50ml bottle will last 4 months at the standard dose. 7 drops per day.


    There’s lots of sites with info but most of them are selling it so I’m not sure if its worth posting here? I had found a really informative "non-sales" site but of course I cant find it now but there sounds like its got a LOT of benefits, including that it helps your body to use other things your taking (Like iodine!) more effectively.
    Dino,

    Thank you so much for that excellent report. I've never heard of Fulvic Acid Minerals. Do you feel any better since starting on them? Please do keep us updated on your progress. It may not be wise to replace the required natural sea salt with Fulvic Acid Minerals. Why not take fulvic acid minerals in addition to the natural sea salt?

    Grizz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    Dino,

    Thank you so much for that excellent report. I've never heard of Fulvic Acid Minerals. Do you feel any better since starting on them? Please do keep us updated on your progress. It may not be wise to replace the required natural sea salt with Fulvic Acid Minerals. Why not take fulvic acid minerals in addition to the natural sea salt?

    Grizz
    Cant really say yet as I just started taking it today but Ive been having some pain in my pelvic area (there’s a small fibroid in the area that could be responsible) for the last 3-4 days, The pain seems to have substantially decreased since this morning, which could simply be a coincidence of course, but I started taking the FAM this morning & took 2 doses today.

    I haven’t stopped taking the salt. That thought was for my hubby who absolutely hates it & is not inclined to suck the stuff down with his idoral (he was getting possible stomach upset with the Lugols so I ordered the tabs for him)
    But I’m taking the FAM in addition to the Iodine & all the extra supplements

    Was looking for that site & still cant find it but since the info on these sites seems to be pretty much the same ill post here.
    Welcome to Fulvic Acid Minerals (this is the brand I have)
    Pure Fulvic Minerals | Colloidal, Ionic Trace Fulvic Acid Liquid Minerals

    Also an interview on Youtube (in 3 parts)
    Fulvic Acid for Humans - Part 1/3 - YouTube
    Fulvic Acid for Humans - Part 2/3 - YouTube
    Fulvic Acid for Humans - Part 3/3 - YouTube
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    Hmmm some good feedback there.. & the requisite "I havent actully used it yet but its crap" reveiw
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    HappyPaleoGirl,
    I suspect this could be a VERY IMPORTANT part of your Interstitial Cystitis problem: Fluoride Poisoning, ESPECIALLY in view of your severe detox problems. You may want to get a 3 stage Reverse Osmosis Filter for your water & avoid all products with fluoride like the plague.

    PART 1
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    My STORY:

    In 2003, I began experiencing a nagging morning brain fog—a confused, “what-am-I-to-do-next?” kind of thing, when I first addressed the mirror for shaving in the morning. Soon, at the suggestion of my wife, a regimen of one grain Armour natural desiccated Thyroid was begun (one grain = 60 mg.). And within a very short time, I had no more low body temperatures, no uncontrolled shivers and another big plus–no more symptoms of asthma! No longer needed are those various inhalers that had become the norm for more than ten years! Additionally, I now had a fuller eyebrow, which had never been more than half there. (With subsequent increases, my dose is now 3 gr.)

    At the end of that first year, on October 1, 2003 while using thyroid and feeling GREAT like I hadn’t felt for years, our County began adding “Hydrofluosilicic Acid”, the cheapest (and most dangerous form of) Fluoride available to our water district. Within the next few weeks, both my wife and I discovered a reversal of the good health we had discovered after starting the use of thyroid supplementation. When we visited the Water District Plant and complained of the horrible effects of that fluoridation, the manager said: “Hold it, you are preaching to the choir! We must add it, since it has been mandated by the county, and I need my job.” The manager was actually (privately) very agreeable to our position, admitting knowledge of toxicity and the effects of fluoride on human health.

    Inside of those three weeks, both my wife and myself felt that our thyroid supplement was no longer doing anything for us. With much Internet searching and watching the difference in how our health was going downhill, we became aware of many articles written by doctors worldwide that were warning of the very problems and dangers we were currently experiencing. We subsequently bought and installed a 5-stage reverse-osmosis filtration system, which takes out the fluoride by filtering to about .0001 to .0003 microns, and in a very short time we were back to our good health and our thyroid levels were once more at a good level. (But, a diligent awareness tells us that we should increase our daily-dose when those niggling hints of hypothyroidism present themselves.) Since that time we avoid the use of any toothpaste! Rather – we use baking soda and filtered water and avoid “most juices and soft drinks.” We even tote our filtered water along to stores, movies and restaurants.

    Our research had led us to such articles as this excerpt from the following:

    “The Effects of Fluoride On The Thyroid Gland” – By Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield, Medical Advisor to Thyroid UK 9-9-4

    It has been known since the latter of the 19th century that certain communities, notably in Argentina, India and Turkey were chronically ill, with premature ageing, arthritis, mental retardation, and infertility; and high levels of natural fluorides in the water were responsible. Not only was it clear that the fluoride was having a general effect on the health of the community, but in the early 1920s, Goldemberg, working in Argentina showed that fluoride was displacing iodine; thus compounding the damage and rendering the community also hypothyroid from iodine deficiency.

    They all insist, as in the briefing paper to Members of Parliament – that fluoridation is safe and non-injurious to health.

    HIGHLY DAMAGING TO THE THYROID GLAND—“This was the basis of the research in the 1930s of: May, Litzka, Gorlitzer von Mundy, who used fluoride preparations to treat over-active thyroid illness. Their patients either drank fluoridated water, swallowed fluoride pills or were bathed in fluoridated bath water. Their thyroid function was as a result, greatly depressed. The use in 1937 of fluorotyrosine for this purpose showed how effective this treatment was; but the effectiveness was difficult to predict and many patients suffered total thyroid loss. So it was given a new role and received a new name, Pardinon. It was marketed not for over-active thyroid disease, but as a pesticide. (Note the manufacturer of fluorotyrosine was IG Farben who also made sarin, a gas used in World War II).


    It is difficult NOT to include Dr. Peatfield’s entire article. His website is http://www.drpeatfield.com for your further, highly recommended research possibilities.

    In my humble opinion, not only has our health been compromised by the ingestion of Fluoridated water, but the earlier and ongoing policy of adding fluorides into so many processed foods and beverages, such as soft drinks, beer and tea, bottled water and reconstituted juices has added significant levels of damaging fluoride “products” to our daily diet and to the detriment of our thyroid health. It matters not that any certain County might NOT add fluoride to their water supply, because those products used in any county will, by necessity, be from a central distributing system and will contain whatever that county has in their water. You get it, no matter what!
    End Part 1

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    “Americans, even in unfluoridated communities, are suffering serious harmful health effects from overexposure to fluoride due to its widespread and uncontrolled use. Fluoride can be found in any food or beverage made with fluoridated municipal water. Less than 2% of Western Europe’s population drinks fluoridated water compared to over 60% of the United States population.” from “America Overdosed on Fluoride” by Lynn Landes & Maria Bechis. FLUORIDE

    The uncounted for, and unrecorded releases of fluorine and the resultant “fluoride-compounds” from industrial sites such as: mining, sand and gravel pit operations, as well as entities like super-phosphate fertilizer plants have certainly added to the miseries of us all. Those “releases” could have, and still can be prevented, or at least controlled, if it were not for the profitability of the “products” in question. “It’s all about the money for our huge, and now, nearly tax-exempt corporations!”

    In summary: Fluoride has become the “lifeblood of the modern industrial economy.” So you can see why “industry” is so reluctant to admit to its part in the cover-up of the long and ongoing dangerous roles that fluoride plays. Because of fluoride’s rather hidden, broad industrial applications, the general public is only just now becoming aware of its airborne emissions, and its toxic by-products. Our awareness of fluoride comes primarily from its uses in drinking water and toothpaste, as well as preadolescent fluoride treatments as a hedge against future dental cavities. While I personally doubt most of those claims, this insidious poison has been subjecting our collective thyroid glands to a near total annihilation!

    I feel that we must keep up with our own health evaluation by making sure we get enough, but moderate amounts, of iodized sea salt in our diets needed for thyroid production. (Though “most” doctors will caution you against it, fearing hypertension and heart-problems.) Also, and this is most important — testing, not with the “TSH” test that is normally foisted upon us, but by asking – - nay – - demanding the Free T3 and the Free T4 thyroid evaluations, and treating the deficiencies with Armour “natural, desiccated” thyroid! IT WORKS!!

    ***THINK THE FLUORIDE IN YOUR WATER IS SAFE FOR YOU??? Look what it did to these horses!

    ***The Effects of Fluoride on the Thyroid Gland by Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfield

    ***Check out this website page on the history of Fluoride as a poison.

    ***Fluoride Action Network website with good information on how fluoride affects the thyroid.

    And last: Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of Fluorides

    1. Fluoride exposure disrupts the synthesis of collagen and leads to the breakdown of collagen in bone, tendon, muscle, skin, cartilage, lungs, kidney and trachea. A.K. Susheela and Mohan Jha, ” Effects of Fluoride on Cortical and Cancellous Bone Composition,” IRCS Medical Sciences: Library Compendium, Vol. 9, No.11, pp. 1021-1022 (1981); Y. D. Sharma, ” Effect of Sodium Fluoride on Collagen Cross-Link Precursors,” Toxicological Letters, Vol. 10, pp. 97-100 (1982); A. K. Susheela and D. Mukerjee, ” Fluoride poisoning and the Effect of Collagen Biosynthesis of Osseous and Nonosseous Tissue,” Toxicological European Research, Vol. 3, No.2, pp. 99-104 (1981); Y.D. Sharma, ” Variations in the Metabolism and Maturation of Collagen after Fluoride Ingestion,” Biochemica et Biophysica Acta, Vol. 715, pp. 137-141 (1982); Marian Drozdz et al., ” Studies on the Influence of Fluoride Compounds upon Connective Tissue Metabolism in Growing Rats” and “Effect of Sodium Fluoride With and Without Simultaneous Exposure to Hydrogen Fluoride on Collagen Metabolism,” Journal of Toxicological Medicine, Vol. 4, pp. 151-157 (1984).
    2. Fluoride stimulates granule formation and oxygen consumption in white blood cells, but inhibits these processes when the white blood cell is challenged by a foreign agent in the blood. Robert A. Clark, “Neutrophil Iodintion Reaction Induced by Fluoride: Implications for Degranulation and Metabolic Activation,” Blood, Vol. 57, pp. 913-921 (1981).
    3. Fluoride depletes the energy reserves and the ability of white blood cells to properly destroy foreign agents by the process of phagocytosis. As little as 0.2 ppm fluoride stimulates superoxide production in resting white blood cells, virtually abolishing phagocytosis. Even micro-molar amounts of fluoride, below 1 ppm, may seriously depress the ability of white blood cells to destroy pathogenic agents. John Curnette, et al, ” Fluoride-mediated Activation of the Respiratory Burst in Human Neutrophils,” Journal of Clinical Investigation, Vol. 63, pp. 637-647 (1979); W. L. Gabler and P. A. Leong, ., ” Fluoride Inhibition of Polymorphonumclear Leukocytes,” Journal of Dental Research, Vol. 48, No. 9, pp. 1933-1939 (1979); W. L. Gabler, et al., ” Effect of Fluoride on the Kinetics of Superoxide Generation by Fluoride,” Journal of Dental Research, Vol. 64, p. 281 (1985); A. S. Kozlyuk, et al., ” Immune Status of Children in Chemically Contaminated Environments,” Zdravookhranenie, Issue 3, pp. 6-9 (1987)
    4. Fluoride confuses the immune system and causes it to attack the body’s own tissues, and increases the tumor growth rate in cancer prone individuals. Alfred Taylor and Nell C. Taylor, ” Effect of Sodium Fluoride on Tumor Growth,” Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine, Vol. 119, p. 252 (1965); Shiela Gibson, ” Effects of Fluoride on Immune System Function,” Complementary Medical Research, Vol. 6, pp. 111-113 (1992); Peter Wilkinson, ” Inhibition of the Immune System With Low Levels of Fluorides,” Testimony before the Scottish High Court in Edinburgh in the Case of McColl vs. Strathclyde Regional Council, pp. 17723-18150, 19328-19492, and Exhibit 636, (1982); D. W. Allman and M. Benac, ” Effect of Inorganic Fluoride Salts on Urine and Cyclic AMP Concentration in Vivo,” Journal of Dental Research, Vol. 55 (Supplement B), p. 523 (1976); S. Jaouni and D. W. Allman, ” Effect of Sodium Fluoride and Aluminum on Adenylate Cyclase and Phosphodiesterase Activity,” Journal of Dental Research, Vol. 64, p. 201 (1985)
    5. Fluoride inhibits antibody formation in the blood. S. K. Jain and A. K. Susheela, ” Effect of Sodium Fluoride on Antibody Formation in Rabbits,” Environmental Research, Vol. 44, pp. 117-125 (1987)
    6. Fluoride depresses thyroid activity. Viktor Gorlitzer Von Mundy, ” Influence of Fluorine and Iodine on the Metabolism, Particularly on the Thyroid Gland,” Muenchener Medicische Wochenschrift, Vol. 105, pp. 182-186 (1963); A. Benagiano,
    Fluoride and your Thyroid—a dangerous connection | Stop The Thyroid Madness

    More here:
    Fluoride and your Thyroid—a dangerous connection at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1908322)
    End Part 2

    So PaleoGirl, we know that IC is an immune system problem, and we know of your severe detox symptoms, and now we know that Fluoride screws up the immune system. The evidence is clear to me. The complete report with links is here:
    Fluoride and your Thyroid—a dangerous connection | Stop The Thyroid Madness
    Be sure to see what fluoride did to horses soon after it was added to the county water supplies. SHOCKING ! ! !
    What do you think? Could THIS be the source of your Interstitial Cystitis problem?

    Grizz
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    PaleoGirl,

    We NAILED IT! Here is even more definitive evidence that fluoride poisoning is causing your Interstitial Cystitis [IC] !

    While symptoms may vary in the order in which they develop, as well as their individual severity, the symptoms of Chronic Fluoride Poisoning can be broken into at least 4 stages, depending on one’s level of exposure to the cumulative toxin…



    STAGE 1:
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    Thyroid Dysfunction

    Immune System Dysfunction

    Chronic Fatigue (CFS)

    Depression

    Headaches

    Neck Stiffness



    STAGE 2:
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    Thyroid Dysfunction

    Immune System Dysfunction

    Chronic Fatigue (CFS)

    Depression

    Headaches

    Neck Stiffness

    Interstitial Cystitis / Urinary Frequency (IC)

    Noticeable Hair Loss

    Gastrointestinal Disturbances (IBS)

    Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (MCS)

    Carpel tunnel / Repetitive Strain Injury

    Muscle Spasms / Restless Leg (RLS)

    Joint Pain, localized, minor to moderate (arthritic-like pain)

    Cognitive Difficulties, minor to moderate

    Muscle Pain & Stiffness, minor to moderate



    STAGE 3:
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    Thyroid Dysfunction

    Immune System Dysfunction

    Chronic Fatigue (CFS)

    Depression

    Headaches

    Neck Stiffness

    Interstitial Cystitis / Urinary Frequency (IC)

    Noticeable Hair Loss

    Gastrointestinal Disturbances (IBS)

    Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (MCS)

    Carpel tunnel / Repetitive Strain Injury

    Restless Leg / Muscle Spasms (RLS)

    Joint Pain, widespread, moderate to severe (arthritic-like pain)

    Cognitive Difficulties, moderate to severe (Brain Fog)

    Muscle Pain & Stiffness, moderate to severe (FMS)

    Sleep Disturbances

    Light Sensitivity/Vision Problems

    Numbness, often beginning in the extremities



    STAGE 4:
    ===================

    Thyroid Dysfunction

    Immune System Dysfunction

    Chronic Fatigue (CFS)

    Depression

    Headaches

    Neck Stiffness

    Interstitial Cystitis / Urinary Frequency (IC)

    Noticeable Hair Loss

    Gastrointestinal Disturbances (IBS)

    Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (MCS)

    Carpel tunnel / Repetitive Strain Injury

    Restless Leg / Muscle Spasms (RLS)

    Joint Pain, widespread, moderate to severe (arthritic-like pain)

    Cognitive Difficulties, moderate to severe (Brain Fog)

    Muscle Pain & Stiffness, moderate to severe (FMS)

    Light Sensitivity/Vision Problems

    Sleep Disturbances

    Numbness, often beginning in the extremities

    Joint “Popping”, moderate to severe

    Mitral Valve Prolapse (MVP)

    Ringing in the Ears / Tinnitus

    Kidney Pain (Rhabdomyolysis)

    Spinal Pain / Compression (Spinal Stenosis)

    8). Is fluoridated water the only major source of toxic fluoride exposure?

    No. In fact, the biggest threat of developing the most severe forms of chronic fluoride poisoning may actually stem from fluoride-based prescription drugs, such as fluorinated antibiotics like Cipro. [also depression drugs]

    More here:
    Chronic Flouride Poisoning Q&A
    All the more reason to go forward on your iodine detox program,
    Grizz
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