Iodine Anyone? page 190

[justaseeker]

Dr. Derry on the subjects of his views on breast cancer, the current (as of 2009 when he wrote the article) state of iodine research, and the iodine "skin test". I happen to agree with every one of his statements below - and I agree with others of his views as well.

Dr. David Derry Answers Reader Questions -- Disappearing Iodine Test

“There has been no significant clinical research on iodine therapy or use for 40 years. I feel it is important for research to be directed at this potentially significant area of medical treatment. It is worth noting the greatest part of significant research with iodine was done before the Medline search facilities were available.”

Dr. David Derry Answers Reader Questions -- Disappearing Iodine Test

“The "test" of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it disappears is not an indicator of anything. The iodine disappearance rate is unrelated to thyroid disease or even iodine content of the body. Meticulous research by Nyiri and Jannitti in 1932 showed clearly when iodine is applied to the skin in almost any form, 50% evaporates into the air within 2 hours and between 75 and 80 percent evaporates into the air within 24 hours. A total of 88 percent evaporates within 3 days and it is at this point that the evaporation stops. The remaining 12 percent that is absorbed into the skin has several fates. Only 1-4% of the total iodine applied to the skin is absorbed into the blood stream within the first few hours. The rest of the iodine within the skin (8-11%) is slowly released from the skin into the blood stream.”

Nyiri,W., Jannitti,M.. About the fate of free iodine upon application to the unbroken animal skin. J Pharmacol Exp Ther 45:85-107, 1932.

Biskind,M.S. Penetration through tissue of iodine in different solvents. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 30:35-37, 1932

Amazon.com: Breast Cancer and Iodine : How to Prevent and How to Survive Breast Cancer (9781552128848): Ph.D. Dr.

David Derry M.D.: Books

“After finishing my training I taught pharmacology to Medical students, dentistry students and pharmacy in the Department of Pharmacology University of Toronto. I also became a Medical Research Council Scholar. Due to domestic rearrangements, I suddenly had my present wife (who had grown up with me in Venezuela) and five children under the age of eight. At our wedding the children represented the whole audience. Academic life could not financially support this. I moved back to Victoria, British Columbia to start general practice.”

“My interest in thyroid started over 15 years ago. Also I became interested in Breast Cancer among other things about 10 years ago. I strongly feel we should have theories for medical illnesses even if they are wrong. It stimulates researchers to test the theories and more advances can be made.”

[justaseeker]

Damn, that is very sad news.

There is no reason why anyone who wants to stay in touch with me can't do so privately. Send me a friend invite and I will accept it. Send me a private message and I will reply to it.

I monitor my vitals. My normally excellent, low normal blood pressure was elevated last night and remains elevated this morning. So is my heart rate.

I find all the over the top dramatic histrionics about "shocking goiters" and government assassins and rampant, dire, deadly diseases and so on disturbing. Kelly's choice of term "lunacy" seems fitting. The term that comes to mind for me is "fear mongering". I am not an adrenaline junky - I don't need all the drama to get my juices following.

And, I don't appreciate attempts at censorship - especially in a thread where open inquiry and exploration is thematic. So, for the sake of my health I am not going to spend time here.

More to the point, the time that I spend here could be put to better use to further the interest in iodine by focusing on analysis of the research, both current and past.

[Grizz]

My neighbor told me of her experience with her doctor over her painful fibrocystic breasts.

Her doctor told her to learn to live with them or cut them off !

She went home crying, and was not told of the Iodine solution to her problem.

JustaSeeker,
if you are looking for agreement among all the doctors out there you won't find it. This is the Wild, Wild, Wild West that is marked by disagreement and conflicts everywhere we look. About the only thing doctors can agree on is that we do need iodine for good health. How much, what kind, etc is just filled with controversy.

The problem is all about money. Who is going to spend millions on research to sell a $15 bottle of iodine. No one.
Also no drug company is going to spend millions for research on a $15 bottle of iodine. If they can't patent it and sell it for BIG $$$ they will not promote it.

Grizz

[justaseeker]

1)

Lets examine the files supplied by justaseeker to see if the numbers match up...
No numbers found. So I will assume Dr. Derry's 50% of the female population to be accurate. The 1st article mentioned iodine, but the usual dribble of 250 micrograms that we know will do nothing for FBD.

Is there something very wrong with this quote?

Grizz

Grizz,

The sheer volume of mistakes, inaccuracies, inconsistent internal logic, and circular reasoning in your statements is also overwhelming to me. It would be a full time job just keeping up with them.

No numbers? Only if you missed them in your reading.

And, when someone here posts with "detox" at 250 mcg you are all over that statement as being evidence that we need to go sloooooow - and so on.

In addition to "fear mongering", the notion of "don't confuse me with the facts, I already know the truth" comes to mind.

[Grizz]

Justaseeker,

I asked a simple enough question. What % of the female population is suffering from Fibrocystic Breast Disease. I'm simply looking for some confirmation of Dr. Derry who says that 50% are showing symptoms, and 40% are not yet displaying symptoms.
If Dr Derry is correct about this, then we have a National Emergency, especially since the treatment is proven to be so simple & inexpensive.

If you have the answer, great. What is it?

Everyone here needs to know that we should have a doctor to follow on our iodine adventure.
1) The 1st doctor that I followed was Dr. Kruse who recommended seaweed 3 times a week and sea fish, shrimp, etc.
This didn't work out because we can't get easily seaweed and sea fish where we live.

2) My 2nd Doctor that I followed was Dr. Davis who recommended seaweed capsules of 500mcg to 1mg daily.
This went well for a while and kept my wife going until last week. The problem of course is pollution in the sea can leave arsenic in the capsules. So off we went to Lugols & Iodoral which are doctor Brownstein recommended.

3) In the meantime, I discovered Dr. Brownstein, and that is who I am currently following. However not nearly as aggressive as he recommends.

So there it is. Which doctor do you want to follow and how aggressive do you want to be in taking your iodine supplements? How much detox can you stand? These questions must be answered by each one of us individually. There is no perfect answer, there is no right and there is no wrong.

Everyone should know by now that I urge everyone to go slow and titrate up slooowly so as to avoid potentially serious detox symptoms. Some of our members cannot afford to be sick and take days off of work, and I don't want anyone suffering from 30 lbs of bloat and a puffy pimply face. I also highlight our members who choose to be super aggressive in our testimonials (do a browser search for JDW ) That is what I do, and always will do as long as I am in this thread.

So, Justaseeker, you must follow your own path whatever path that may be. If you choose to start your own web site, that is great. Let me know the site address and I will help to promote it.- just as I try to promote the excellent Yahoo Iodine Group.

I hate to see you go, and I do wish you would consider staying. Everyone here loves you, including me.
Hugs & Kisses


PS) The iodine skin patch test does have some value if you are severely deficient. Remember that my 1st skin patch was GONE in 3 minutes, and now it is lasting a good 6 hours. This is proof to me that this test has some value. We have already discussed this. The patch test is not perfect but it is good enough. This is just another controversial subject where doctors cannot agree. I can find as many doctors promoting it as you can find doctors saying it is worthless. There is no point in beating a dead horse. So can we just agree to disagree on this topic and let it go?

Grizz

[Owl]

I have been following this thread off and on, although it moves too fast for me to read it all everyday. I've been taking Iodoral for a while now, and am up to 25mg/day. When I first started, I had detox of tightening of my throat. I backed down, and then titrated up with no more symptoms.

I had the Hakala Lab loading test last year, and am iodine deficient. I have a doctor's appt. this Thursday. He told me last year, when he put me on thyroid meds, to not take iodine because they have iodine in them. I see that they don't have much. So I decided to start iodine anyway, I've waited long enough. I wonder what he's gonna say now.

[Grizz]

I have been following this thread off and on, although it moves too fast for me to read it all everyday. I've been taking Iodoral for a while now, and am up to 25mg/day. When I first started, I had detox of tightening of my throat. I backed down, and then titrated up with no more symptoms.

I had the Hakala Lab loading test last year, and am iodine deficient. I have a doctor's appt. this Thursday. He told me last year, when he put me on thyroid meds, to not take iodine because they have iodine in them. I see that they don't have much. So I decided to start iodine anyway, I've waited long enough. I wonder what he's gonna say now.

Owl,

Great idea to find out why doctors are so dead set against iodine supplements. Ask him why they won't recommend iodine for at least the Fibrocystic Breast Disease.

Congrats to making your goal of 25mg !

Grizz

[DuhPrincess]

I am now up to 87.5 mg's of Iodoral each day now since Friday and am doing well. I really do appreciate you, Grizz, for all the research you've done to add to this thread. I already tried an Iodine Saturation protocol about 5 years ago so this info isn't brand new to me. Unfortunately, I was using the Standard Process Prolamine Iodine which contains only iodine made from corn and no Iodide. So I am already on board with being pizzed at most doctors and this whole "health (aka death) system in this country. I haven't seen any wild conspiracy theories here--you're just telling it like it is. Did you know that Oncologists can actually get a kickback for the chemo drugs they prescribe? Talk about a conflict of interest! What Oncologist would tell a woman to order a $25 bottle of 5% Lugol's when he could pocket thousands of dollars for slicing and burning her breasts?

I'm 51 and have never had a mammogram. Why? Because radiation causes cancer. Duh. Thermography is the only route I would go if I felt I needed more info about my breasts. I already feel like I dodged a bullet taking even just the iodine for the last 5 years. My thyroid didn't benefit but I have no other female issues like most of my contemporaries. I can't think of any friends who haven't had some type of procedure done already not to mention one friend who died at 32 of breast cancer. And she nursed 3 kids. I think corruption and ignorance runs amok in this twisted greedy country. And thanks for watching over this thread, Grizz, as I haven't seen the person who started it around lately or ever.

My friend is painting her breast with 5% Lugols by the way. And she's got the 2 sizes of Iodoral ready to take after she slowly increases her dose starting with Lugol's drops. She still has to go to work so she's afraid of detox symptoms being too harsh to function. She's got the ATP Co-factors, magnesium, Vita C, Super Selenium, Vitamin D3 (I ordered that for her too and told her to take 20,000-30,000 IU's each day) & some Celtic Salt in case she needs it for detox issues. I can't think of anything else more promising for her bleak outlook right now.

[jlsaven]

I go on vacation from the internet for a week and chaos erupts!

I would second/third/support in whatever order is appropriate the importance of tolerance on this board. This has been an incredible resource for me trying to figure out what can help my body become the best it can be. I have benefited in my life from some aspects of conventional medical wisdom, for there are some very enlightened individuals practicing it in addition to those who do not look outside the confines of their training. I have also had incredible successes with other less conventional practices. However, being as though a forum such as this is a place to share knowledge, it is more important not to champion one "right" way of doing things, but instead to present information, as everyone's body is different and some may respond to things others do not. This, in my opinion, should be a shared space where we can all work toward a common goal of becoming the healthiest individuals we possibly can.

Additionally, there is a very big difference between a "claim" and a universal law. Studies, particularly those done in the medical field, need to be very closely analyzed in order to determine whether the research design is sound, and that the methodology used in the study actually supports the claims made by the author(s).

I am not saying that personal accounts, and less-solid claims shouldn't be mentioned, only that keeping in mind the sources of claims is very important, particularly because all of our bodies are unique.

Peace to all
jlsaven
(up to 2 drops of 2% lugols... feeling better! Yay Iodine!)

[Grizz]

Grizz,

A week or so before you went on vacation you mentioned here that you were the “thread moderator”. I asked you what was involved in being a thread moderator and you never answered. I have read this entire thread and did not see anyone ASK you to be the moderator or any other similar discussion about anyone being a moderator or even needing a moderator for this thread.

So, being new to the forum and unfamiliar with the Netiqutte here, I explored the various links offered – including the “quick links” that lead to the section on moderators. There was NO mention of “thread moderators”. There was a list of “forum moderators”.

This thread is in the “Primal Blueprint Nutrition” forum and Mark is the moderator. And, moderators have the ability to eliminate spam posts after they are posted – which we have seen happen here occasionally in the past.

So, my conclusion is that SOMEONE is moderating this thread – at least occasionally – but that someone is not you. You are as entitled as anyone else here to post your views. You are not MORE entitled than anyone else. You are not entitled to dictate to others what they may post here – including their choice to include mainstream studies and the resulting statistics.

I told you before that I didn’t want you to continue to try to place me on a pedestal – and that the subsequent fall was likely to be a sharp one. Now, maybe you know what I was talking about. I told you that I question everyone and everything. It’s called “critical thinking/reasoning” – a faculty that you seem to lack when it comes to, among other things, discerning “theory” from fact.

In his own words, Dr. Derry is positing a “theory” (see my subsequent post on Dr. Derry) when he makes his statements about breast cancer. He is not a researcher – he is a retired family practice MD who chose that profession over academic research. I happen to agree with his reasoning that medicine could be advanced by entertaining – including testing – more competing theories. But, until there is testing done and a theory established, these statements are not to be taken as “fact” but as “possibility” – and food for thought.

I also happen to agree with Dr. Derry’s position on the iodine “skin test” – which position is actually based on “meticulous research” cited by Dr. Derry. But, I see that you feel that you have somehow “proven” them all wrong on this subject, singlehandedly with your n=1 application of iodine.

In the same vein, you state that “real statistics” can be acquired by asking around a few of our acquaintances for evidence of FBD – which is – according to Dr. Derry, asymptomatic and undetectable except by biopsy in 40% of the 90% of the population that have FBD. So, that 40% will hypothetically give us “false negative” responses. Sorry, but that’s not the procedure for getting “real statistics”.

The fact is, many women have breast health issues, and evidently these issues are occurring more frequently and at younger ages – like so many other hormonal related changes in the population. Iodine deficiencies, pollutants (including the halides, the psueudo-iodides, estrogens, pseudo- estrogens, and possibly more), and other factors like other nutritional deficiencies or excesses are very likely implicated.

I am all for getting the word out to everyone. But, I believe in free choice for adults, even our spouses. I believe in informed consent. Provide the information. Allow them the freedom to consent or to decline. None of us knows for sure exactly what we are doing right now with iodine. Why do we want to force our views on others?

JustaSeeker,

Sorry, but as usual we don't agree. You are far left & I am far right. This thread is not a normal discussion group. There are some very serious health hazards which can REALLY hurt the Newbee Eager Beavers. We all know about the Eager Beavers who think that if 1mg of iodine is good, then 50mg must be BETTER. Such is not the case, and I have consistently been the voice of restraint, to SLOW DOWN, TAKE IT SLOW. I have many examples documented in the Testimonials Section of our references doc of NASTY DETOX PROBLEMS with iodine doses at less than 1mg. ALL OF US are more or less toxified and a large dose of Due Diligence is required.

As I have said repeatedly many times in this thread, we don't want to see anyone suddenly get 30 lbs of bloat, a bloated zit filled face and worse. We don't want to see the newbee lose several days of work over a severe Detox.

We all have a responsibility to help each other to keep the newbees in this thread from going overboard and taking too much iodine too soon. I have posted many links from the Internet that illustrates what happens to the Newbee Eager Beavers.
In a word - disasters ranging from 30 lbs of bloat, to puffy zit filled faces, and worse caused by excessive detox. We all know what needs to be done - we must work as a team to help restrain the Newbee Eager Beavers for their own protection. We don't want anyone getting sick if we can help it. Call me a Moderator if you want, but I am the voice of restraint and I need your help.

There was an article posted that recommended people taking a product that is involved in a class action lawsuit for allegedly causing serious serious damage, even death: acetaminophen
Tylenol Liver Damage Lawsuit

Sorry to be a censor, but I had to speak up to prevent anyone from thinking that this is a "Safe" product. I think we can all agree that in similar circumstances, someone should step in to protect the rest of the group from a medical article that could allegedly result in serious kidney damage, even death. The article posted is still there, so it was not "censored." Ditto on any other topics that can result in health damage. We all need to jump in and SPEAK UP against any article that could result in health damage. It is all for one and one for all, as it properly should be.

This seems to be the question that brought up all of the controversy:
What % of women nationwide are needlessly suffering from Fibrocystic Breast Disease when a simple iodine supplement program can totally prevent it? I had discovered that 3 out of 3 obviously healthy women at the gym all had FBD.... totally unexpected. So this begs the question for nationwide numbers. I found Dr. Derry who explained that 50% of women show symptoms and 40% had FBD in early microscopic stages. If this is true, we have a NATIONAL EMERGENCY of Biblical Proportions. This is a very important question that needs an answer.

Now let us get back to work on the main subject in this thread: Iodine Research.
I suggest, One for all and all for one to help keep everyone safe.

We wish justaseeker well, and the very best. We all love her,
Grizz