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    Careers and other mad 20th century inventions

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    ‎"Careers are a 20th century invention and I don't want one." ~ Christopher McCandless


    “As long as habit and routine dictate the pattern of living, new dimensions of the soul will not emerge.” ~ Henry Van Dyke

    I love these quotes. A career is nothing more than modern slavery. No freedom to play, to be free, to invent... just mind-blowing boredom in order to pay the bills. Not that I'm against hard work, I'm just against the binding regulation of doing it on someone elses' terms. Why should I do this activity from 9 - 5 pm? Why not 10 - 3 pm? Or 12 - 8pm? Why do you only deign to give me 2 days off a week? Why not 3? or 4? Why not when I choose to take them?

    Other than Debt, I think 'career' represents the worst of the worst, in terms of utterly MAD 20th century inventions.

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    Really? We're going to take something seriously that came from a guy that didn't learn proper survival techniques before he decided to go off to frakking Alaska, to survive on his own?

    Blacksmith was a career, fletching was a career, cooper was a career, merchant was a career, etc...
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    What are you going to do about it?
    You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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    Now if you want to throw in Jared Diamond's quote of agriculture being "the worst mistake in the history of the human race", I think you might be on to something. But McCandless? Rebelling against a middle class background and dead from a combination of hubris and nostalgia for some paleo-fantasy lifestyle. I'm with kenn on this one.

    Look, I can certainly understand the desire, and it is a compelling image, but you best believe that hunter-gatherer Grok lifestyle was a career and those folks spent a lifetime learning and perfecting the skills to survive. Life may not have been 'nasty, brutish, and short' but I'm sure they thought and worked damned hard and knew that a seemingly small slip-up - injury, illness, drought, poor hunt, etc. - could cause serious or fatal problems for themselves and the rest of their group.

    I'd look more to Les Stroud, Cody Lundin, and Dick Proenneke for my inspiration than Chris McCandless.
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    Yes, Dick Proenneke is one of my heroes.

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    i like the guy, honestly.

    anyway, i have a career and i love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn View Post
    Really? We're going to take something seriously that came from a guy that didn't learn proper survival techniques before he decided to go off to frakking Alaska, to survive on his own?

    Blacksmith was a career, fletching was a career, cooper was a career, merchant was a career, etc...
    Just because the man was blinded by his ideals, that doesn't mean his ideals were in the wrong place.

    Being a blacksmith in the middle ages was not a clock in and clock out job. Being a hunter for game for your tribe was not a clock in and out job. I think the main points are not that you have a duty, but that you feel the duty controls you and for what? Secondly, you might feel the duty has no value.

    Like Grumpy said, what are you going to do about it? I don't think you can save everybody. If you see things as you say, find a way to live in this day and age that makes you happy. Maybe you get a job that's flexible, maybe you get a job that involves doing things you ACTUALLY enjoy, or maybe you find it possible to get by on less money and do more with what you have. Maybe you even find a way to become independent of money & produce all your stuff for yourself (and maybe trade for a few things).
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    You find me a way I can live without having to pay bills and buy groceries and I'm all for not having a career. I always hear about people who go to other countries to do volunteer work for years at a time and wonder how they afford to do that. I'm guessing they were all trust fund babies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
    What are you going to do about it?
    Go off the map?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darbyfett View Post
    Yes, Dick Proenneke is one of my heroes.
    This. He did it properly. McCandless was an idiot. A beautiful dreamer, sure, but an absolute idiot.

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