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    Paleo and primal? I'm surprised microwaving your food is even mentioned at all. Do you not consider microwaved food detrimental to health?

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    I don't own a microwave. I got rid of it soon after going Primal. If you're not eating pre-packaged stuff, there isn't much need for it.

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    I have a microwave, but only because my dad bought it for me. He thought I should have one when I got my own place. I mostly keep it around for my boyfriend as he uses it from time to time.

    Mercola suggests using the microwave for kitchen cloths to zap bacteria, but not for food as it tends to destroy nutrients and who knows what else. If I'm in a hurry and need to thaw meat or something like that, I usually just fill the sink up with hot water and stick it in. It doesn't take long for it it to soften.

    I eat my lunches at work cold, even if they're meat-based. I go through far too much trouble to eat a clean, nutrient-dense diet for it to be compromised by a microwave. They can't be good.

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    Wow, really? All a microwave does is heat up your food. Seriously, it's the same as heating it up in an oven or something. The microwaves agitate the water molecules in the food and that creates heat. The only difference is that it heats from where the food is the wettest (often inside) instead of from the outside in, like an oven does.

    You can bake a sweet potato in a microwave in 5 minutes. Who gives a shit if it's "paleo" or not?
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    No microwaving here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncephalized View Post
    Wow, really? All a microwave does is heat up your food. Seriously, it's the same as heating it up in an oven or something. The microwaves agitate the water molecules in the food and that creates heat.
    More and more studies are proving that heating up the food is not all it does....

    "Microwaves unsafe for baby's milk
    A number of warnings have been made public, but have been barely noticed. For example, Young Families, the Minnesota Extension Service of the University of Minnesota, published the following in 1989:

    "Although microwaves heat food quickly, they are not recommended for heating a baby's bottle. The bottle may seem cool to the touch, but the liquid inside may become extremely hot and could burn the baby's mouth and throat. Also, the buildup of steam in a closed container, such as a baby bottle, could cause it to explode. Heating the bottle in a microwave can cause slight changes in the milk. In infant formulas, there may be a loss of some vitamins. In expressed breast milk, some protective properties may be destroyed. Warming a bottle by holding it under tap water, or by setting it in a bowl of warm water, then testing it on your wrist before feeding may take a few minutes longer, but it is much safer."

    Dr. Lita Lee of Hawaii reported in the December 9, 1989 Lancet:

    "Microwaving baby formulas converted certain trans-amino acids into their synthetic cis-isomers. Synthetic isomers, whether cis-amino acids or trans-fatty acids, are not biologically active. Further, one of the amino acids, L-proline, was converted to its d-isomer, which is known to be neurotoxic (poisonous to the nervous system) and nephrotoxic (poisonous to the kidneys). It's bad enough that many babies are not nursed, but now they are given fake milk (baby formula) made even more toxic via microwaving.""

    Scientific evidence and facts
    In Comparative Study of Food Prepared Conventionally and in the Microwave Oven, published by Raum & Zelt in 1992, at 3(2): 43, it states

    "A basic hypothesis of natural medicine states that the introduction into the human body of molecules and energies, to which it is not accustomed, is much more likely to cause harm than good. Microwaved food contains both molecules and energies not present in food cooked in the way humans have been cooking food since the discovery of fire. Microwave energy from the sun and other stars is direct current based. Artificially produced microwaves, including those in ovens, are produced from alternating current and force a billion or more polarity reversals per second in every food molecule they hit. Production of unnatural molecules is inevitable. Naturally occurring amino acids have been observed to undergo isomeric changes (changes in shape morphing) as well as transformation into toxic forms, under the impact of microwaves produced in ovens. One short-term study found significant and disturbing changes in the blood of individuals consuming microwaved milk and vegetables. Eight volunteers ate various combinations of the same foods cooked different ways. All foods that were processed through the microwave ovens caused changes in the blood of the volunteers. Hemoglobin levels decreased and over all white cell levels and cholesterol levels increased. Lymphocytes decreased. Luminescent (light-emitting) bacteria were employed to detect energetic changes in the blood. Significant increases were found in the luminescence of these bacteria when exposed to blood serum obtained after the consumption of microwaved food."

    The Swiss clinical study
    Dr. Hans Ulrich Hertel, who is now retired, worked as a food scientist for many years with one of the major Swiss food companies that do business on a global scale. A few years ago, he was fired from his job for questioning certain processing procedures that denatured the food.

    In 1991, he and a Lausanne University professor published a research paper indicating that food cooked in microwave ovens could pose a greater risk to health than food cooked by conventional means. An article also appeared in issue 19 of the Journal Franz Weber in which it was stated that the consumption of food cooked in microwave ovens had cancerous effects on the blood. The research paper itself followed the article. On the cover of the magazine there was a picture of the Grim Reaper holding a microwave oven in one of his hands.

    Dr. Hertel was the first scientist to conceive and carry out a quality clinical study on the effects microwaved nutrients have on the blood and physiology of the human body. His small but well controlled study showed the degenerative force produced in microwave ovens and the food processed in them. The scientific conclusion showed that microwave cooking changed the nutrients in the food; and, changes took place in the participants' blood that could cause deterioration in the human system. Hertel's scientific study was done along with Dr. Bernard H. Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and the University Institute for Biochemistry.

    In intervals of two to five days, the volunteers in the study received one of the following food variants on an empty stomach:

    Raw milk;

    The same milk conventionally cooked;

    Pasteurized milk;

    The same raw milks cooked in a microwave oven;

    Raw vegetables from an organic farm; (6) the same vegetables cooked conventionally;

    The same vegetables frozen and defrosted in a microwave oven; and

    The same vegetables cooked in the microwave oven.


    Once the volunteers were isolated, blood samples were taken from every volunteer immediately before eating. Then, blood samples were taken at defined intervals after eating from the above milk or vegetable preparations.

    Significant changes were discovered in the blood samples from the intervals following the foods cooked in the microwave oven. These changes included a decrease in all hemoglobin and cholesterol values, especially the ratio of HDL (good cholesterol) and LDL (bad cholesterol) values. Lymphocytes (white blood cells) showed a more distinct short-term decrease following the intake of microwaved food than after the intake of all the other variants. Each of these indicators pointed to degeneration. Additionally, there was a highly significant association between the amount of microwave energy in the test foods and the luminous power of luminescent bacteria exposed to serum from test persons who ate that food. This led Dr. Hertel to the conclusion that such technically derived energies may, indeed, be passed along to man inductively via eating microwaved food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncephalized View Post
    Wow, really? All a microwave does is heat up your food. Seriously, it's the same as heating it up in an oven or something. The microwaves agitate the water molecules in the food and that creates heat. The only difference is that it heats from where the food is the wettest (often inside) instead of from the outside in, like an oven does.

    You can bake a sweet potato in a microwave in 5 minutes. Who gives a shit if it's "paleo" or not?
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    I use it a lot to reheat my buk-cooked-and-frozen-in-portions soup, stews etc.
    I figure the traffic fumes, oil refinery fumes, sewage works, and general everday environmental crud is going to have more of an impact than whether I heat my food from the inside out or the outside in....

    Also, the sterilising of kitchen cloths etc works - because the microwaves boil the water i.e. steams the cloth clean. Hence not working on dry cloths!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raptoryell View Post
    such technically derived energies may, indeed, be passed along to man inductively via eating microwaved food.
    ...translated into English please?
    This makes the study sound like woo, and I'd hate to dismiss it on that basis if it's indeed "real science".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernMonkeyGirl View Post
    ...translated into English please?
    This makes the study sound like woo, and I'd hate to dismiss it on that basis if it's indeed "real science".
    You and Uncephalized are right. Heat is heat. There is no molecular difference. And this is a woo article.

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