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    @Tarlach - I'm not a huge fan of supplementation either.


    But what about vitamin D? Technically that's not supplementation, as the goal is to replace the vit D we should be getting from sun exposure. Do you not find the reasoning and evidence compelling? Or are you one of those rare individuals who is vitamin D sufficient (50-70ng/dl) without supplementation?


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    I try and get outside as much as I can.


    There's a lot of misinformation about vitamin D and it's not really that hard to get enough if you eat a lot of meat.


    http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2009/12/vitamin-d-and-uv-fluctuations-2.html


    But even based on the RDA this calculator (http://nadir.nilu.no/~olaeng/fastrt/..._quartMED.html ) says that at least every other day (this time of year) I need my face, hands and arms exposed for 3 minutes to obtain sufficient vitamin D, equivalent of 25 micrograms vitamin D, if no dietary vitamin D is available.


    * it is summer in Australia. It comes up as 17 minutes in the middle of winter (for a clear day).


    Vitamin D has a decent half life and you don't need to hit a certain level every day. Also supplementation of Vitamin D is of very questionable value


    etc...

    The "Seven Deadly Sins"

    Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . . Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
    Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
    Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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    Tarlach,


    Pete's article doesn't really come out and say anything other than addressing bone density and loss. Vit D(3) does quite a few more things.


    How much meat does one need to eat to sustain healthy levels of 25 (OH)D?


    There are several MDs that would disagree with your last assessment.


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    2 teaspoons cod liver oil

    5 grams fish oil

    2,000 IU Vitamin D3


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    What are you actually worried about from vitamin D?


    As a natural source one small serving of fish will give you 100-200% of the RDA for vit D.


    ...and MD's are never wrong?
    [quote]

    RESULTS: In spring, 60.3% of the women had 25(OH)D(3) <or=50 nmol/l, and the target of 75 nmol/l was reached by 9.1%. For supplement users, the respective numbers were 52.1 and 11.9%.
    </blockquote>


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19841043


    So the average Vit D supplement user had lower 25(OH)D(3) than those who did not supplement.


    Supplemental D3 is probably also a metabolite and does not actually address the bodily needs of the parent compound (in the same way that DHA and EPA can not replace the functions of ALA/LA)

    The "Seven Deadly Sins"

    Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . . Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
    Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
    Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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    Supplement bars are normally chosen for health benefits that the body can gain with various formulas performing different duties.


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    a lot depends on the type of supplement. not sure that eating fish oil is necessarily worse than eating the fish, especially if you can&#39;t get the fish regularly. plus it matters what kind of fish and so on and so forth.


    anyway this study was done on elderly Finnish women, so post-menopausal and thus not so useful for fertile women, though possibly a bit for men.


    i think limited supplement use is crucial for us fertile women. men might be able to slide by on meat only, but i do think there are real limits to trying to derive total nutrition from wild and pastured meat (though certainly it is the best one can do, there has been a lot of erosion and pollution affecting land quality and water quality).


    sadly cannot find that post talking about supplement absorption. i suppose it&#39;ll turn up when i am not thinking about looking for it.


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    Omega 3 1-3000mg

    Vit D3 2,400-4,800 IU

    ZMA

    CLA

    Occasionally calcium/magnesium


    I&#39;m in England and have a fairly dark toned skin so there&#39;s little chance of hitting my vitamin D needs!


    CLA I tend to take if I&#39;m not able to get hold of good organic cream.


    ZMA I take if I feel like I really need a good nights sleep. If I take it too often my dreams and sleep pattern goes a bit weird.


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    Oh and not necessarily a supplement but I drink nettle tea pretty much every day to keep inflammation down


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    I haven&#39;t started supplements yet due to poverty but am hoping to. I&#39;m also concerned about the environmental impact of overfishing. If someone could address that for me I would appreciate it. Is there anything out there that combines the fish oil WITH vit D? Thanks!


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