That's me! *stab stab*
Originally Posted by Catherine
I dunno what to say about these "plant-based" doctors and their views other than I respectfully disagree and do not think the logic of their argumentation is sound. Denise really says it all in all of her posts. Some of us have a higher standard for evidence than others, and some are hell-bent upon proving a certain conclusion. Some of these vegan docs will try to support their opinions with statistical correlations, when other statistical correlations contradict them - cherry picking. Like lookey here, there are some studies showing an association between red meat and colerectal cancer, and some folks have taken these as proof that you should eat a vegetarian diet, but there are new studies that show an inverse association with certain cooking techniques like baking. Meat consumption and cooking practices and t... [Eur J Clin Nutr. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI This is also in Australia which means it is grass-fed meat. Now of course I'm not going to be a knave and say that this is evidence that red meat protects against colerectal cancer, of course there are also controlled trials where a group eating a high meat diet had less DNA damage than the vegetarian group Effect of processed and red meat on endogenous nitrosation and DNA damage, and there are plausible biochemical mechanisms by which it could That Paleo Guy: Carnosine, Colons, and Cancer Anticarcinogens from fried ground beef: heat-... [Carcinogenesis. 1987] - PubMed - NCBI
And yet every one of these vegan docs will say "meat completely fucking causes colerectal cancer, this is proven, no arguing" and stick their fingers in their ears. It is a hypothesis and it -probably- isn't right, so what's with the crusade?
If somebody tells me that I need to eat a "plant-based" diet for health, I will simply inform them that what they are proposing is a hypothesis that is argued for by people who already act as though it is the absolute truth, and selectively present evidence of poor quality without logical rigor. They equivocate between types of meat, cooking techniques, and commit the correlation=causation fallacy, while ignoring contradictory evidence.
Of course most people don't know what that means! Nutrition is the science that people treat like orthodox religion, sigh. Oh well, at least we have Denise.
Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.
Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!