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    i should have read your post more carefully. it sounds like he is in a very big program. it also sounds like he has tremendous potential both gentically and with how you are describing him.

    is he getting time in practice to develop skills? if he is then maybe he should wait til the time comes when he will get picked. if hes not then do as someone above suggested and get him into a league where he can get experience.

    if he eats and trains right im sure his genetics are not going to let him go unnoticed by the time he is in highschool..that is assuming his skillset is adequately developed (which it sounds like it is).

    i dont really have any more to add other than to say you are doing the right thing and the kid is lucky to have you looking out for him so much.

    more carbs via rice (sweet potatoes ARE awesome but my kids dont eat them unless i make them and its much more time consuming then throwing some rice in the cooker..) more fat via light tasting olive oil (xtra virgin might be better but most kids cant eat it in any quantity because they dont like the taste). more protein via encouragement at every meal and some whey protein in a post workout shake. its easy to make a post workout shake in the morning and have it sitting in the fridge for when he gets home from practice/school etc. allow him post workout shakes after hard bouts of playing/swimming/running around with friends on the weekends too.

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    in regards to "bulking up" in pre-pubescents.. there is plenty of literature out there and basically its not going to happen until you are well into puberty. if a 10-12 year old looks more "bulky" than the next guy its most likely just genetics. i can remember short, stocky wrestler types when i was in 7th grade and all of them are basically the same height they were as freshman in highschool. its the lanky, slow, growing "hard gainers" (which basically just means under eaters in my book) that have the potential for tremendous growth once they are well into puberty. 13 is barely even at the starting blocks as far as development goes. program him correctly now and it will go a long long way into helping him become an accomplished athlete in the future.

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    Meat, potatoes, rice, and eggs are pretty much required.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apex Predator View Post
    He needs a good lifting program. Get a barbell set and Starting Strength. He needs to muscle and bulk for padding as well as strength.
    +1

    There's also a couple articles about training young kids for weightlifting on the Starting Strength site; they're definitely worth a read.

    Strength is way more important than mass up to a point, as it makes everything he does that much faster/stronger.

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    Awesome, guys. Thanks for all the thoughtful and productive answers.

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    xibit,

    i completely agree with your statement regarding strength being more important than mass up to a point..

    however, with relatively untrained, young, really skinny individuals, strength will come as a result of increased mass (up to a point of course..but this kid is nowhere near that point). im not advocating mindless curls by the hundreds ala a body builider template but having young kids dig too deep and too hard with strength and explosive drills meant for more prepared athletes may predispose them towards injury. of course you want to select good movements like lunges as compared to leg extensioin machines or pushups as opposed to bench press in a smith machine but i have found that MODERATE loading with MODERATE intensities is the best for developing both size and strength in young athletes. again there is a lot of literature out there on this, its just not common in most coaching circles so most coaches end up over doing a lot of everything. a good rule of thumb is that if the kids is slowing down too much during the lift (grinding/form changes) then the loading is NOT appropriate. always remember you arent having them lift to get their lifting numbers up per se but rather to improve sport performance. if too much energy is spent in the weight room then field performance and durability will most likely suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dado View Post
    He should pick a sport that is more in line with his body type. We should not plump boys up, they are not the chickens or cows for winter. Basketball or maybe he will be kicker. Tell him to try kicking. Or soccer, here in this sport he will find his soul.
    That's TERRIBLE advice! My god. The kid wants to play football. Jesus Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xibit View Post
    Meat, potatoes, rice, and eggs are pretty much required.



    +1

    There's also a couple articles about training young kids for weightlifting on the Starting Strength site; they're definitely worth a read.

    Strength is way more important than mass up to a point, as it makes everything he does that much faster/stronger.
    that's pretty much what I'd say right there.
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    I was taught that there are five things (in this order) make a martial artist the best: 1. SPIRIT (HEART/WILL) 2. SKILL 3. SPEED 4. STRENGTH 5. SIZE.

    While he does have to be big according to conventional wisdom, I say you enroll him in as many football programs and clinics as possible. Go on youtube to watch videos, read books on football techniques, etc. He may not have the 'size' wanted, but if he can become very technical and knowledgeable on body mechanics and the use of physics, size won't really matter. I have seen guys 150-200# under what a normal lineman would play, and they were dominating guys 2 times there size because they focused on technique.

    If size truly is important to him, then what you need to do is focus on 1) a proper strength traininig program and 2) a proper diet.

    In regards to a proper strength training program, nothing will beat 'Starting Strength' by Mark Rippetoe available in both book and dvd format, both of which i highly encourage you to buy. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT put him on any type of muscle & fitness routine, which tend to focus on body building routines. Body building routines will bulk him up and put on muscle, but many of the techniques taught to bodybuilders (and sadly, in most improperly trained weight rooms) are utilized to build muscle for aesthetic purposes. This will hurt him in the end.

    Another good thing to focus on would be explosive movements and speed training drills. Sprints and olympic lifts will always be number one, but I suggest you incorporate agility and coordination drills. Simple things such as juggling balls will help him improve his game.

    As far as diet goes: STAY PRIMAL, but make some changes. If he can handle dairy, and wants to put on some serious muscle, a gallon of milk a day (+) normal food intake will get him there quickly. If he cannot handle a gallon, start him out with a smaller size and eventually (if he is having no problems), work up to a gallon.

    Also, I encourage you to keep him as 'natural' as possible. Supplements have their place, but they are just that: supplements to our diet. If I was going to endorse anything, It would be restricted to a multi-vitamin, 5mg of creatine, and L-glutamine, which is to be used after intense workout sessions (if he works out everyday).

    Good luck with everything and I hope you reach your goals.

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    i agree with the idea of keeping him active in football, outside of the school. at some point, he will likely gain (once he's hit puberty), and his coaches will cotton on to the fact that the kid is good, and likely get him on the team.

    if not, then you do have alternatives. you do want to put him into the best possible non-school leagues, and you'll want to start video taping it. I know it sounds nuts, but it's one way to get college football recruiters interested. In addition, you can encourage him to consider universities that allow walk-ons (Penn State does, and JoePa is the man, and I hope he's still coaching when your son is old enough to play for him).

    I agree, too, with the deep sentiment of achilles post -- there are five things (in this order) make a [one] the best: 1. SPIRIT (HEART/WILL) 2. SKILL 3. SPEED 4. STRENGTH 5. SIZE. You can post it on his wall or something, or explain it to his coaches. LOL anyway, end of the day -- it's the spirit that does things. Also, the film Rudy (which is about Notre Dame football, stars sean astin, and you'll have to go way back to 1994 or something to see it), is a nice little inspirational film about a non-footballer simply having the heart that got him in the game.

    Of course, Rudy is an exception, but if your kid has actual athletic ability AND heart AND determination, then there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to play as he goes.

    In addition, I recommend teaching him how to stretch appropriately and *take care of his joints* as he ages. my best friend in high school got a college scholarship to Illinois, but blew out both knees in his last high school game. Never played in uni, and his dreams of a career died. He recovered well, and discovered yoga which helped a LOT in his recovery, but it's just sad that he wasn't able to go the distance due to injuries. And he's not alone, a lot of young men miss out because of that. And truly, I think that a good mobility/stretching program -- from the beginning -- makes abig difference.

    mobilityWOD is a great place to start for that. i like "k-star's" style, too -- the kid might respond to it.

    All the best!

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    Uh, if he's shooting up, he's hit puberty. His hGH is running wild and his testosterone likely is too, but test without stress doesn't do anything.

    If he wants mass, he needs to lift, lift heavy, and eat heavy. Starting Strength is the way to go. Note that lifting heavy is a relative term, he needs to start with the empty bar and work up to heavier weights.

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