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    Can I go to 7 packs a day, if I add another pound of butter?
    Did I miss a post in this thread where someone said that primal means following a half-assed diet? What does this have to do with being obese while primal?
    I'm retraining and strengthening my taste buds, one primal meal at a time.

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    I actually agree with Griff on this one. Griff doesn't need to lose any weight if that's his choice. If he's comfortable and happy where he is then more power to him. My point of view is totally different from his. I value muscles and being lean personally. I don't really need to gain muscle or stay lean either, but that' what I want to do and that's what I will do. Even though from his perspective I'm one of the muscle obsessed meat heads I respect his right to live his life the way he chooses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue View Post
    Not so. Its uncomfortable having a big belly, bending down to put your shoes and socks on, playing with the kids etc.
    while i can acknowledge that this is true and likely, my experience with "fit-fat" people is that they can do this without any struggle. but of course, many of them practice yoga, and their movement is fluid, graceful, and flexible. So, there's no problem bending down to put shoes on, or playing with children, or climbing trees for that matter.

    it might be noted that there are different "definitions" of healthy.

    i think that for griff, he's starting with the "absence of disease" such as diabetes, IBS, cholesterol issues, joint inflammation-- and the discomforts and disabilities that came from his weight -- as the definition of "health."

    I think that I would take it a step further to talk about agility, flexibility, strength, balance, and overall cardio-vascular ability -- none of which has a specific body-fat-percentage or weight goal in order to be met.

    I know many not agile, inflexible, unbalanced, with poor CV health who are underweight, the right weight, or just slightly overweight (say, for a woman, 25% body fat), as well as ones who are the overweight, obese (using BMI) and morbidly obese (using BMI). But, I also know agile people in all of these categories -- who take and teach yoga classes. Some are vegetarian, some are paleo, some are just "generally healthy" (following a whole foods diet), etc.

    Nearly every is aware of their weight, health, and overall feeling of well being.

    And lets not kid ourselves. A skinny (or underweight) person who isn't flexible (which is common, they tend to rigid bodies), also cannot easily put on their socks or play with their children. They are also prone to illnesses of the digestive system, among others, such as IBS -- it's not just a disease that 'fat people' experience.

    so, their weight is not an indication of health.

    ultimately, the person should be healthy.

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    and griff, you if you want some exercises or movements that will promote health without sweating (though it might promote some muscle discomfort early on as your muscles adapt), i'd be happy to put together a sequence for you. And you can give me feedback. If it makes you sweat too much, let me know. I only offer this to promote overall health (as I see it), and not to help you loose weight. It would just make all of your normal movements easier and more comfortable over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidi View Post
    Did I miss a post in this thread where someone said that primal means following a half-assed diet? What does this have to do with being obese while primal?
    i believe he was alluding to the point that being obese is an unhealthy lifestyle much the same as doing drugs, smoking etc. losing weight and or getting into shape IS a big part of the primal lifestyle, just eating primal foods (the butter) does not make one primal. thats my take on it at least

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemonized View Post
    I actually agree with Griff on this one. Griff doesn't need to lose any weight if that's his choice. If he's comfortable and happy where he is then more power to him. My point of view is totally different from his. I value muscles and being lean personally. I don't really need to gain muscle or stay lean either, but that' what I want to do and that's what I will do. Even though from his perspective I'm one of the muscle obsessed meat heads I respect his right to live his life the way he chooses.
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    I think that griff also gets adequate rest, adequate play, and movement that suits his particular goals and desires. I think that qualifies as "primal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owly View Post
    Actually, defining what one means by "fat" is important. To some people, I might be fat. I wear a Canadian size 8, which to some in the high fashion world would make me a "plus-size" model desite being significantly smaller than the North American average. To other people I know, that makes me enviably thin. According to the BMI scale, my partner is obese, but according to his 8-9% body fat measurement and his waist size, he's quite lean at his 245 pounds. In most medical literature, anyone over BMI 25 is considered fat, but that's not fat enough to be associated with weight-related health conditions. When you are talking about issues related to science and health, being specific is very important.

    If we are talking about a fat person and you are thinking of a man with a 50-inch waist and I'm thinking of a woman with a 34-inch waist, we're going to have a hard time having a discussion.
    Canadian! I should have known. Well that explains most of it. My apologies, I actually appreciate Canadian sensibilities, and Im sorry if I came across as rude. Back to the discussion, while I agree specifics are important, that is not what is at issue here. We (at least I) am discussing a general rule. In other words, Im talking about a reasonable person standard. Being fat is like pornography, difficult to define, but you know it when you see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager View Post
    i believe he was alluding to the point that being obese is an unhealthy lifestyle much the same as doing drugs, smoking etc. losing weight and or getting into shape IS a big part of the primal lifestyle, just eating primal foods (the butter) does not make one primal. thats my take on it at least
    Thanks for clearing that up. That's a shame if some people think that. I've been primal for 5 weeks and haven't lost a lb or inch (though I'd like to). I don't think that makes me any less of a primal person. I see it as just my weight being wonky right now.
    I'm retraining and strengthening my taste buds, one primal meal at a time.

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    agreed , support is one thing but when someone chooses to validate a weight of 290 lbs as healthy by saying they are disgusted by their own sweat, and exercise is useless because we don't have to run away from tigers anymore, imo thats just being lazy. griff is entitled to his own opinions and o be able to live his life his way as we all are, but coming to a place like this and saying obesity is ok is just counterproductive to people who want to be active fit and healthy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager View Post
    i believe he was alluding to the point that being obese is an unhealthy lifestyle much the same as doing drugs, smoking etc. losing weight and or getting into shape IS a big part of the primal lifestyle, just eating primal foods (the butter) does not make one primal. thats my take on it at least
    You got it. Being obese is no more "Primal" than smoking (actually smoking may be more "Primal" as many of our primal ancestors smoked, but they certainly were not obese)

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