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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanna View Post
    I've been experiencing some mood-related side effects from the Mirena I had inserted in November. My body is not used to hormones and I've been having intense mood swings that are definitely not in the norm for me. I saw my my OB-GYN Wednesday and she said I should try and track my moods for a few months before taking any other steps. Then she said Vitex might help (or chaste berry extract, since it's similar). She also suggested going on an anti-depressant, which was baffling to me. I would rather remove the source of the problem (the Mirena) than adding an anti-depressant to combat the side effects.

    Can you give me a rundown of pros and cons of using Vitex? My doc said lack of libido can be a side effect, which in concert with the mood swings may be the reason the Mirena is such an effective form of birth control. I like my libido where it is lol.
    A bit of TMI embedded in this FYI.

    Interesting that lack of libido could be a side effect, as that was not my experience, but mine has always been low. How do you feel about going with Paragard instead of Mirena? There are some methods for combating the increased menstrual flow (Vitamin E during luteal phase, but there's still an adjustment period that could be several months to a year), and you'd do away with the hormone factor completely.

    So my situation is that I'm sensitive to hormones, which I've noted after years of being on birth control pills in college. I went with the Paragard for that reason. For me, Vitex helped for a little while, but not long term. I was first told to use it when diagnosed with low progesterone (right when I should be ovulating, when progesterone is supposed to be highest). It was below the recommended range. The nurse said to take it every day for a few months at least and that it might take a cycle or two to help. My symptoms prior to taking it were bad depression for the entire week leading up to my period, plus anxiety, with the worst day being the first day of my period and improving very quickly after that. By the first cycle after starting Vitex, the week of PMS had improved a lot!

    I have always struggled with low libido and at first, Vitex helped with that! I increased my dose and found my libido was kind of overwhelming (for me) and used that as a way to find a comfortable dose. I don't know what it was in mg, I just went by # of capsules for whatever brand I was taking (leaf extract, not liquid).

    Over time, the libido effect disappeared from the Vitex, though my PMS week was still better. Then I noticed I was growing dark hairs around my nipples! This seemed to me to be some indication of hormone issues so I stopped the Vitex. Of course the PMS week returned within a couple of cycles, so I resumed the Vitex, and then would continue that cycle on and off for about a year (would discontinue as soon as the dark hairs returned). I just had my hormones re-tested after a month off Vitex and my progesterone is low, but in range (and estrogen was low, but in range, whereas it had been mid-range before Vitex). I don't think it fixed anything. I have no idea why I had the results that I had, but if you want to try it, you'd probably notice a difference within a month if it's going to help (I started during a period and PMS was better by the next cycle). If it DOES affect your libido (negatively), based on how long it seems to effect me, I'd say it could take a few weeks for you to go back to normal.

    Knowing where your hormones are now might be good, but not sure how accurate the results would be with the Mirena. I don't know how much it affects blood hormone levels.

    Now I'm trying Progest-E (Ray Peat's progesterone & Vit E product). No PMS this month, but next month will be more telling since I was not that long ago taking Vitex. Libido has been really low for the past few months so can't really comment on that yet either. I know some people here take it with hormonal birth control so I don't think it would counteract the effect of the Mirena's localized hormones. The presence of the IUD acts as birth control pretty well on its own, I think.

    Sorry if that was massively confusing, but hopefully it gives you something to think about!
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    Oh, lastly, check out the IUD-Divas livejournal community! There might be some helpful testimonials there.
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    Your hair is adorable! I love both pics! The first is fun, funky and young. The second is chic and stylish with that great color and awesome cut. I'd do it like that for your trip
    The Brun might be pretty dark on your ash hair but I'm sure would look great too!
    I haven't tried henna but it's on my 'to do' list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmarie View Post
    Your hair is adorable! I love both pics! The first is fun, funky and young. The second is chic and stylish with that great color and awesome cut. I'd do it like that for your trip
    The Brun might be pretty dark on your ash hair but I'm sure would look great too!
    I haven't tried henna but it's on my 'to do' list.

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    My hair is too short now, but that cut is definitely going to happen again. The first pic is actually a slightly more grown out version of the second (posted as After and Before within a couple of months I think). Hulky's vote was red, so I'll probably go with that

    The key is to find a henna without metallics. Whole Foods sells some brands that should be good. Henna that is safe to use on the skin (like those henna tattoos done for weddings in some cultures) is ideal. I've bleached over the henna made by LUSH Cosmetics and it was totally fine. Metallic henna would melt your hair if bleached!
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    I'm having cocoa & watching Dexter with the cat. We'll go out for a matinee tomorrow as long as Hulky is feeling okay. He fell asleep early tonight (not good at napping unless I'm around, I guess) and I know he needs the rest. I bet the beef stew will taste even more amazing tomorrow .

    My tummy is a little upset. I'll probably go to bed kind of early, but am just trying to keep myself occupied for now. I keep feeling tempted to go out and buy things =\. I'm out of cocoa powder.

    I'll post on this tomorrow, but I think I've got another health-related project in mind: homemade toothpaste to decrease oral sensitivity.
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    I love the cut! and I'm sorta partial to what nature gave you - so I'd say find a color that is as close to your natural as possible. It might be because I'm a generation older - but I just think natural is so much more feminine and beautiful. That being said -- fun colors are just that - FUN! So I guess it all depends on the look your after. Either way - you're adorable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by namelesswonder View Post
    A bit of TMI embedded in this FYI.


    Over time, the libido effect disappeared from the Vitex, though my PMS week was still better. Then I noticed I was growing dark hairs around my nipples! This seemed to me to be some indication of hormone issues so I stopped the Vitex. Of course the PMS week returned within a couple of cycles, so I resumed the Vitex, and then would continue that cycle on and off for about a year (would discontinue as soon as the dark hairs returned). I just had my hormones re-tested after a month off Vitex and my progesterone is low, but in range (and estrogen was low, but in range, whereas it had been mid-range before Vitex). I don't think it fixed anything. I have no idea why I had the results that I had, but if you want to try it, you'd probably notice a difference within a month if it's going to help (I started during a period and PMS was better by the next cycle). If it DOES affect your libido (negatively), based on how long it seems to effect me, I'd say it could take a few weeks for you to go back to normal.
    Just a clarifying Q (and don't answer if it is too tmi, or whatever). So, the hair just randomly showed up, shortly after taking the Vitex? And it may be a side effect of some sort of hormonal thing? As a few ladies I know get some hair there, but I have no idea if it was natural or potential a sign of some sort of hormonal imbalance.

    Lol @ your greeting of calling the readers Muffins (a few pages back). Strangely enough, it was my nickname back in high school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grafter View Post
    Just a clarifying Q (and don't answer if it is too tmi, or whatever). So, the hair just randomly showed up, shortly after taking the Vitex? And it may be a side effect of some sort of hormonal thing? As a few ladies I know get some hair there, but I have no idea if it was natural or potential a sign of some sort of hormonal imbalance.

    Lol @ your greeting of calling the readers Muffins (a few pages back). Strangely enough, it was my nickname back in high school.
    I've never had those hairs before, but it struck me as a hormonal thing. It didn't show up until after I'd taken the Vitex for at least 3 months straight, then would go away within a month of stopping, return again when I'd resumed Vitex for a few months etc. I don't know, I always thought they weren't supposed to be there on female bodies?

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    The short version of my oral health experiment is this: I want to make my own toothpaste.

    Since girly night, when I indulged in a lot of refined sugar products, my gums have been extra sensitive. They have always been pretty sensitive, but worst since college. I remember seeing a couple of dentists about one particularly sensitive area and they prescribed an unhelpful mouth rinse. I saw another dentist and they said it's exposed root (I think? now I can't remember). The dentist that I see now said that I only need gum grafts again it bothers me aesthetically or physically. Well, most of the time it's not an issue. Sometimes I'll eat poorly and that spot will hurt for a couple of days and then it goes back to normal. It's been hurting for two days now. Rinsing my mouth with water & baking soda alleviates the discomfort briefly, which is why I think a homemade remineralizing toothpaste with a baking soda base might be very helpful.

    Will my gums grow back to cover the root? No, probably not. Will it decrease the sensitivity? That's what I want to find out. The key, I think, is the pH levels in the mouth. Acidic foods have always been bothersome for me. I was never a soda drinker, so we're talking orange juice and citrus fruits. What I don't understand is why my diet is not helping to regulate this pH level. Maybe the toothpaste can help topically.

    For now, I might buy Sensodyne so I can at least have some pain relief. The OraWellness brushing blend oil works great for the rest of my gums, but that one problematic area is not helped by it right now. When it's not already hurting, the oil works fine. Oil pulling on a regular basis would probably also be a good idea for me.

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    *My first gum graft surgery was when I was 12. The orthodontist said I needed it on my front lower teeth before bottom braces could be installed. I don't remember what my gum line looked like before, but the gums have slowly been receding since. I think diet and poor oral hygiene is at fault there. I don't think there's any way it could have gone differently though so I don't blame myself.
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