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    http://consumerist.com/2009/12/obese-students-forced-to-take-fitness-class-to-graduate.html


    So the deal is this: if you're obese (per BMI) at this college, you're required to take a nutrition and health class or you don't graduate.


    Now, I know I'm opening up a can of worms here, but this is something I'd like to discuss with the MDA'ers and possibly Mark.


    First off, I find this discriminatory as all hell.


    It'd be one thing to make ALL the students take this course but singling out the obese students just rubs me the wrong way. They're forcing kids to pay more money to graduate. And for what good reason? Yes, it's important to take care of yourself but what college kid, even those with meal plans, can afford the kind of eating required to stay trim and healthy the right way? I remember my college cafeteria. No salad bar (but they DID have a PASTA BAR), prepackaged lettuce with sugar-laden dressing you didn't get to choose, and the "grill" was the only part open all day long - but in the "name of health" the grill only served frankenfoods. Soy and tofu burgers and hotdogs on whole wheat buns... topped with mayo and plastic cheese! Cereal bar was open all day too... with your choice of soy milk or skim milk, a WIDE variety of nothing but sugary cereals (and one raisin bran), and ended off with... a loaf of bread and a toaster. With margarine and strawberry preserves.


    When I missed a meal for whatever reason I'd eat in my room... food I could afford, like ramen and mac'n'cheese. Or white rice that could be cooked in the microwave.


    Secondly, I can only assume that this class they're going to teach is going to be chock full of CW-nutritional information. I don't know about the rest of you but I went through that phase where I followed CW nutrition like it was a holy book. Whole wheat grains! Only lean, tasteless, water-injected meat or frankenfoods! Huge bowls of lettuce with nothing on it! Sugary fruit! Low-calorie bread! Low-fat mayo! Skim milk or diet soda! One to two hours of the elliptical machine a day! And don't get me started on all the pills I got prescribed to help... natural sleep? Fuggetaboutit.


    I lost twenty pounds... and then stalled for six months.


    Thirdly, I'd like to mention that yes, diet and exercise is something you CAN control, it's not like they're telling all the white kids they can't graduate until they 'tan up' or something, but when you've got CW in your face telling you to lose weight a certain way, and it isn't working, what makes these administrators think that forcing kids to take a class on stuff they Probably Already Know is going to fix anything? Seriously? Because I've had a health class every year from about third grade on alllll the way through college. Same info Every. Single. Year. I knew CW backwards and forwards.


    It did nothing for me.


    Finally, BMI. OMG. WTF. Other acronyms that essentially boil down to "with all the research and factual evidence supporting the slapping down of BMI why the hell are people still going by it?". Seriously. Is the ENTIRE medical industry blind? How long can a measurement so OBVIOUSLY false still be used? At what point is is just laziness?


    Anyway, this just bugged me. I'd like to hear all of your takes on the subject. Some of you've been fat - really fat - like me. Others never have been. So what do you think? Is forcing a CW-laden class on these students under pain of not graduating a good thing? Can we, as people, really be FORCED to be healthier?


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    I think having the class available for EVERYONE may not be so horrible. Forcing specific subgroups of students to take a class that contributes nothing toward their academic major is ludicrous. I agree with a point made by one of the commenters to the article -- a basic COOKING class would probably be more useful. Though I guess you'd still have the CW issue if cooking consisted of making rice, potato, pasta, etc. dishes...

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    BMI is garbage anyway... they should use the mirror to figure it out...


    I don't think colleges should have that power to say you're too fat to graduate. Maybe in thier phys ed or excersise science programs but not their math majors


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    Making it a condition of their graduation is definitely discriminatory, in my opinion. I guess the problem is that CW has been forced upon everyone by our governments, so the college doesn't have much alternative as to the dietary advice given - yet.


    I definitely hear you on the BMI issue. I knew someone in the military who was classed as obese through BMI, but he must have been the leanest, ripped man I knew. He was just very big, and clearly BMI takes no account of build or body composition. I'm now a UK size 12 (US 10) almost the next size down, but BMI would have it that I'm overweight. Errr, no! Just a muscly woman!!


    Gaah!


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    Definitely discriminatory. Definitely wrong, on so many levels.

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    This kinda thing is totally wrong.

    And it would STILL be wrong if they were promoting the Primal way of life.

    This is America, not the USSR. It is not the place of any government-run/funded institution to make decisions about what to eat and how to exercise for its citizens. Socialism at its worst.

    It is the RIGHT of the individual to choose what they put into their own body.


    *If this is a private college, then ignore this comment, because in that case they can do whatever they want.

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    at my college (a private school) the majority of students were very fit. in fact i believe it contributed to many of the girls eventually developing EDNOS. EVERYONE was required to take a "life fitness" health class and then 3 classes of fitness over the 4 years. i ended up taking pilates, volleyball & self defense as mine. i don't regret it and think it should be mandatory for all students.


    even my parents remarked at how any time they would drive through the campus they saw people running or biking, frisbee or soccer. very very active campus


    re: cafeteria selections better than most in that they had a salad bar every day with various greens and toppings (chicken or tuna) for meats. sure they had tofu and cereal and fries etc but at least you could get soup/salad or squash/meat for dinner


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    @ Amy, even if it is a private college they can't tell just the "fat" people to drop their BMI before they graduate, they would have to do some sort of fitness/health course across the board.

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    Private schools can do whatever they want. If you don't like it, don't go there.


    BTW, I attend a public university in Colorado. There is no Phys Ed/Fitness requirement here but most people who go here are somewhat active (the school's location in a place where one can engage in a wide variety of outdoor activities ... rock climbing, snowboarding/skiing, kayaking, etc is a big draw for many people). Our cafeteria food is another story but I live off campus and cook my own food so it isn't really an issue for me.

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    I hope to see these students sue the school, frankly. This is appalling.

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