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    I just started ....trying to eat better again...try number 15515! Anyway I ate 2 Tablespoons peanut butter and 2 Fried eggs. I also drank 1 cup of whole milk for a total of 540 calories for breakfast. I'm 6'1" and 271 lbs 27 years old.

    Does this sound alright? 18.8 carbs 29 grams protein 39 grams fat at least atm.

    Also any tips on how to deal with picky eating....I feel ashamed....because I'm like a kid I eat barely any vegetables. They consist of green beans, potatoes, corn, and that's about all I enjoy. Squash makes me gag...my mom says its in my mind...but I know I hate the taste for sure. I want to eat better things but I've been eating this way for my whole life. I tried a few different things recently and they were all bleh....Broccoli(tasted meh...no gagging not tasty though), Squash(gagged), onions(tolerable when cooked...i hate the crunch for some reason more crunch if not cooked), and Beets(pretty much tasteless my mom said if they absorb more water they aren't bitter like I've heard).

    I was planning on eating a sandwich for lunch but the bread is too many carbs...not sure what to eat besides bread though....the amount of calories for lunch sounds too low without something else. I could eat more peanut butter for more fat/protein...sounds weird with pastrami and turkey though.

    Thanks for any advice

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    You have not yet read the PB 101 pages, have you? Go look at those first. Yes, you will need to learn to eat vegetables. Corn is not a vegetable, and neither are beans. Ditch 'em. If you're trying to lose weight, ditch the potatoes for now. It goes without saying that bread is not something you eat on the PB - no grains at all.

    How are you with salads? Can you get your veggies that way?

    Read the PB 101 posts first, before you go any farther: Primal Blueprint 101 | Mark's Daily Apple
    Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

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    If you read more, you'll see that peanut butter and milk aren't optimal either. You need to start from the beginning
    Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiken3712 View Post
    I just started ....trying to eat better again...try number 15515!
    Good for you. Keep at it! This way really does work.

    Anyway I ate 2 Tablespoons peanut butter and 2 Fried eggs. I also drank 1 cup of whole milk for a total of 540 calories for breakfast. I'm 6'1" and 271 lbs 27 years old.
    FWIW, calories really don't seem to matter. All you really need do count is carbs.

    Does this sound alright? 18.8 carbs 29 grams protein 39 grams fat at least atm.
    Sounds OK. But, again, you don't have to sweat counting everything, unless you want to. Just stick to mostly meat and non-starchy veg. Also add some fats to your food—butter on cooked vegetables, olive oil on salads. Or just eat some off the spoon. A 15ml tablespoonful of coconut oil before a meal is OK, if not exactly a gourmet taste experience.

    Along with that you might want some fruit. But not too much, if you need to lose weight—and best not to do fruit juice or dried fruit at all. On the whole, choose lower-sugar types of fruit like berries. And you could add in some nuts.

    Dairy products should be full-fat, but still you have no watch them—if for no other reason than because they contain lactose ... which is milk sugar. So best to go with hard cheese, or full-fat yoghurt rather than milk, because the lactose has been fermented out in those. You could put some heavy cream on the fruit.

    Also any tips on how to deal with picky eating....I feel ashamed....because I'm like a kid I eat barely any vegetables. They consist of green beans, potatoes, corn, and that's about all I enjoy.
    All those are starchy veg unfortunately. Leafy green veg, carrots, avocado would all be better.

    Squash makes me gag...my mom says its in my mind...but I know I hate the taste for sure.
    Boiling it doesn't seem to improve some types. Some you can fry gently in some olive oil instead—works well with courgette (what you call zucchini in the U.S.) maybe stir in a little crushed garlic—or even, as it cooks down, a spoonful of tomato puree and a sprinkle of basil and oregano.

    I want to eat better things but I've been eating this way for my whole life. I tried a few different things recently and they were all bleh....Broccoli(tasted meh...no gagging not tasty though)
    Put a bit of butter on steamed broccoli. You could also liven it up with a dash of tamari sauce. (That's wheat-free soy sauce. Soy is generally something best avoided, but tamari is OK in moderation.)

    onions(tolerable when cooked...i hate the crunch for some reason more crunch if not cooked
    Good whole and baked in paper. You simmer them for awhile and then wrap up in paper and put them in the oven.

    Try some soups, too? Cold soups in this weather, perhaps—e.g. Gazpacho (not a recipe that uses breadcrumbs).

    I was planning on eating a sandwich for lunch but the bread is too many carbs...not sure what to eat besides bread though....the amount of calories for lunch sounds too low without something else. I could eat more peanut butter for more fat/protein...sounds weird with pastrami and turkey though.
    A salad with some meat is pretty much standard here. There are other options but that's easy and tasty.

    I suggest you read through Mark's Primal 101 and then get the book. If you get into it, you might try the PB recipe book, too. Here's the link to the 101:

    Primal Blueprint 101 | Mark's Daily Apple

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    Hey Raiken!

    I just started primal and I'll tell you how I handle it. First off, I'm just taking baby steps. I eliminated all grains and refined sugars, but I'm still eating other stuff on the no-no list like dairy, peanut butter, etc. I do try to choose other options when possible, but I guess the way I figure it is I'd rather get used to eating this way gradually and eliminate the things that are most important to eliminate, and then move on from that. For instance, my breakfast was 3 scrambled eggs cooked in butter with cheese and a half an orange. I do let myself drink milk but only when I need that extra calcium boost since I'm pregnant. I try to not eat peanut butter every day, but I will eat it if it's lunchtime but I'm not able to sit down and eat, or I don't have anything prepared and I need to cook something.

    The single MOST important thing is to not eat grains and to not eat refined sugar. At least, that's what I have figured out from scouring the forums, though I haven't gotten my PB book yet.

    As far as veggies... here's what I discovered. I almost never cooked vegetables for my family before I went primal... they just were so unappetizing. But I figured out that it isn't that I dislike vegetables, but that my mom always prepared them the same way - she bought frozen vegetables and microwaved them with a little water and that's it. They became boring mush! So I figured out that I really enjoy vegetables when they are prepared in other ways, particularly with the addition of bacon drippings (I save ALL my bacon drippings). Veggies cooked in generous amounts of drippings or butter just taste absolutely incredible.

    Last night we had some delicious local asparagus that was pan-fried in bacon drippings and a little balsamic vinegar. The drippings give them a little bacony flavor that is just out of this world and the balsamic vinegar adds a little tang... and then I only cook it for a short time on high heat so they don't get mushy, but stay nice and crisp.

    I've also cooked green beans and broccoli the same way and both times they turn out really good. So really - think about what is is about vegetables that you don't like, because when I switched to primal I had to force myself to figure out ways to cook vegetables that I would enjoy. Still learning, of course, but it was kind of nice to figure out that it wasn't that I don't like vegetables but I don't like them prepared the boring way my mom always did. I figured out that I'd rather cook fresh than frozen (although I do cook frozen sometimes just because of our budget) and I do a quick cook so they don't turn out soft. Add plenty of fat and they are just delicious.

    Aldo - definitely do read the 101 pages - I've just started cooking normal meals but eliminating the bread. So you were going to have a pastrami & turkey sandwich? Just eat the pastrami & turkey and roll it up together. You'll eat more of it than you would with a sandwich, but that's part of eating paleo. The other day we had chicken wraps for lunch and so I just made mine a bowl - chopped up chicken, bacon, avocado and ranch dressing over lettuce. It was fantastic and very filling.

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    I think Mark has given peanut butter a red card before. Peanuts are generally a no-no on the PB for most folk. Nuts in general--for people trying to lose weight--should be kept at a minimum. But since your just starting, don't be too strict on yourself. Ease into this stuff. Look up the 80/20 rule on the main site.
    All I can tell you is to eat your vegetables anyway. I was like you when I started out: I'd stick to green beans, broccoli, and salad smothered in god-knows-what dressing. But the amazing part is, your brain will stop interpreting the food as "nasty". I've come so far with vegetables in just a month and a half of PB. I would have never come close to eating raw mushrooms and green onions a month ago, but this morning they were part of a delicious breakfast.

    If you wean yourself off of the grains, legumes, dairy (if your trying to lose weight), fruit (limit to one serving if trying lose weight; fine otherwise), and sugars, the vegetables will become rather tasty! I'll give you a comparison of one of my first PB meals with my breakfast this morning. Note that I didn't really much care for my first couple meals, and this morning was absolutely delicious!

    May 17, 2011: Lunch
    -2 scrambled eggs
    -3 slices of bacon
    -5 strawberries
    -1 oz of walnuts
    -1/2 carrot
    -1/3 bunch of broccoli

    Wow, just looking at that makes me cringe a little. It's 100% primal (though there's probably more walnuts than there should be) but my vegetable to meat ratio is way off. These days, I try to keep it 3:1; that's more like 1:3! And I can promise you those carrots and broccoli were eaten with gritted teeth.

    June 27, 2011 (Today): Breakfast
    -4 slices of bacon
    -2 boiled eggs
    -1/2 can of spinach (I ran out of my organic stuff and my brother had the car this morning. )
    -10 baby carrots
    -1/2 can of green beans
    -2 raw green onions
    -3 raw white mushrooms
    -5 strawberries
    -1 pickle
    -.5 oz of pistachios

    And this time, with a vegetable to meat ratio of 3:1, that meal was eaten happily. I can honestly say that my taste buds--or at least the way my brain interprets the taste--has changed. I posted a topic about this on the forums about a month ago. Many primal eaters agree that everything just tastes better once you throw out the grains, legumes, sugars, etc.

    So for now, eat with gritted teeth, abide by the 80/20, and follow the PB! Good luck!
    Last edited by Aly; 06-27-2011 at 10:14 AM.

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    Try the '3S' rule. No Sugar, No Seconds, No Snacking.

    Then focus on eating healthy foods. Try to eliminate grains from your diet--especially bread and pasta if you are a big bread and pasta man.

    Don't make it more difficult than it is. Don't make yourself crazy reading all these forum posts. Don't freak out on calories and macros. Eat healthy food until you are full, just eat at meals, you'll lose weight like crazy. When you get to within 20lbs of your goal, you will have to work really hard--that's where all the tweaks and forum suggestions come in handy.

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    When I first thought about posting I was gonna mention that I know corn and beans weren't vegetables....I was just pointing out my utter lack of veggies by including things that aren't really veggies :P...just forgot to put that part in. As for milk I read it wasn't optimal but thats something I don't plan on giving up....but I'll keep it to three cups or less a day. As for peanut butter...I didn't realize that was on the bad list...why was that? Is it as bad as grains...my reason for eating it was...the high amount of protein and figured the fats in it were ok.

    Thanks for all the input. I also understand the concept of not tracking every little bit....just wondered if the amounts sounded ok since I'm just starting I don't plan on logging everything....too much hassle I've tried that before lol.

    I'm also curious about other good options besides cheese for milk replacement even if I'm not dropping all milk I could limit more with more choices. Milk is a good source of protein, calcium, and potassium too I think...as well as a few other nice things. Pretty sure cheese has all these things so that makes sense...recommend any particular cheeses?

    Oh yeah and since peanut butter is on the bad list...until I get more information I guess I'll keep that for just one meal at breakfast.

    Also I'm curious as to Primal stance on salt...pickles apparently have lots of salt/sodium in them, and the conventional wisdom is that salt is a major issue...but CW says grains are awesome ....also bacon and some other meat has a good amount.

    I just read about peanuts after realizing I read somewhere they are legumes...so thats why ....and legumes are bad becomes of something called lectins? I need to go find that article on lectins I guess. Not sure how bad they are because I didn't read the article just read the premise that legumes have lectins and thats bad but not the specifics. ....bah I really don't want to give up peanut butter too I hope they aren't as bad as grains.
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    So, randomly, I thought the title was "Trying to eat butter"

    then I realized after reading it wasn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiken3712 View Post
    ... As for peanut butter...I didn't realize that was on the bad list...why was that?
    It's actually a ground "nut", not a tree nut. Different sort of thing. There's a potential for aflatoxins, but probably not anything to worry about. What probably concerns people is the "antinutrients" in them. These are what Sally Fallon has dubbed rather nicely "natural preservatives". But I don't believe they're much of a problem in peanut butter—IIRC, the roasting pretty much does for the antinutrients. Raw peanuts should definitely be avoided. It may be better to avoid peanut butter, but I don't think it's a huge issue, specially if you're only having the odd spoonful now and then.

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