Can you ferment the oats?
Well I'm back on the primal blueprint plan after a few months off (naughty me but it was hard with a newborn and a husband that just bought and cooked whatever he felt like).
I have quite a delicate milk supply, I nurse on demand but sometimes I don't quite have as much as she needs, so I have to break into a little pumped stock I have in the fridge that I pump while she is napping. I had a really hard time starting with breastfeeding, it definitely didnt come naturally for us! She has a weak and disorganized suck that didnt resolve until she was 12 weeks old and I had to supplement. It is quite frustrating, but I can deal with it and now finally I can exclusively supply her breast milk. The issue is that I can keep my supply up if I eat a good size bowl of oatmeal twice a day (I buy organic steel thick cut oats, and eat with heavy cream and a small amount of real maple syrup drizzled - like a half teaspoon).
I know that oats arent really a primal type of thing to eat, and I'm wondering if this is going to be a really bad thing if I am now upping my fat intake and basically following every meal as primal - no bread, pasta or anything. Basically I'm eating on meat and veggies, heavy cream and butter, and two cups of oats a day.
Any nursing mamas or experienced mamas out there that know of any other food type galactagogues that work as well as oats? I tried brewer's yeast but it made her and I very gassy Fenugreek same issue. Oats are really the only thing I've had success with and I don't want really want to jeopardize my supply.
Can you ferment the oats?
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"We have all the food groups- meat and chocolate".
Great point though, thank you so much!
I'll try dig around on the internet see what I can find.
Make sure you are drinking enough. I had a big cup of water before/during/after breastfeeding.
I'm a certified breastfeeding educator (ie similar coursework as an IBCLC, far fewer practicum hours and fewer hardcore exams) and a postpartum doula, and I also suffered from low milk supply.
Blessed Thistle is a very good galactagogue and I've never known it to cause gas. It's best in tincture form - usually two droppersful (not drops, the whole dropper, full) three or four times a day is good. Take it in juice or black coffee or something, it tastes vile. It works best in tandem with fenugreek, but it's effective on its own.
How old is your baby now? You might find fenugreek to be ok now. Often they grow out of things like that as their guts mature. You could try a little fenugreek and work up to a therapeutic dose.
Oatmeal is good for milk supply though, no question. Soak it overnight (add 1/4 cup rye flakes, they have more phytase, oats have relatively little) in whey if you remember, but don't stress if you don't. If you don't react badly to oatmeal then I don't think eating it medicinally is bad. Screw it if it's not "fully primal". Call it your 20% and high-five your precious little baby for an awesome milk supply!
Oh and yes, hydration is important - but so is relaxation. I'm gonna guess that late afternoon is when it seems you don't have enough milk, too... that's the most common pattern, and to some extent it's illusory because it's the normal "fussy" time for babies. Your supply does dip a little at that point, but that's largely due to the pattern our daily lives follow - we tend to try to "get stuff done" before dinner. If you can make some adjustments and adopt a more tropical time-management pattern, you will probably find that your late-afternoon supply is better. That is, take a later lunch, and have a long siesta afterwards. Have someone else cook dinner or go for the crock-pot, don't plan to eat until 7 or so, and spend the afternoon from about 2 to 6 lunching, napping, and watching tv with your feet up and baby firmly attached to the boob. You will feel more rested, you can do stuff in the evening (because baby will probably be happier then, or better yet, asleep) and your supply will improve.
Have you tried More Milk Plus?
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Also Mother's Milk:
And goat's rue, fennel, flaxseed oil?
When I was pregnant with my Grace, my milk came in in March & she was born in July. By then, I had almost all but dried up (can ya tell my body was confused?), and by October 1, I was supplementing her. I tried everything, but felt like it was too late.
Look for an eats on feet group near you-- a group of lactating women who donate their supply to help others in need.
I too am suffering with a low supply due to being underweight and completely stressed out. I take More Milk Plus by Motherlove Herbal Company
and *try* to avoid caffeine. I also drink a lot of fluid throughout the day. Have you tried pumping to increase supply?
I have been on Kellymom.com quite a few times looking for ways to increase my supply and I have never heard of the oats thing. I do eat rice, potatoes, quinoa, fruit, sprouted buckwheat and amaranth flour to keep my carbs high so I am not fully primal right now. I would try oatmeal if it really does work but I want to be sure as I know oats are not the best thing for blood sugar. As for soaking I would just make sure you do it overnight and if you can add some whey or kefir to the soaking water than that is even better. I think I might try the oats....thanks for this post.
she actually didnt gain weight for 2 weeks when I was EBF Also I do a feed and weigh every now and again with my IBCLC to keep an eye on it and shes getting 1-2oz from both breasts now plus 1-2 oz of bm in a bottle afterwards. when before we did a weigh and she only took 18cc from both.
I'm totally fine with oats. Actually I'm totally fine with any wheat and glutens and such if you dont count the weight i compound eating them :P. I just enjoy the side effects of the primal diet - lots of energy and a nicely defined waist!
I always try to remember to drink plenty of water but sometimes I forget- i used to be terrible with it but i definitely notice an increase when I keep hydrated. mum pointed that out to me when she stayed to help for 2 weeks, that i only drank maybe 3 mouthfuls of water all day. she constantly handed me 16oz of water and told me to finish it all day long
Ive done a few "nurse-ins" with skin to skin contact and lying in bed all day with her, its hard because nothing will get done and it kinda drives me nuts! i will have no clean clothes and piles of dirty dishes. all i have here is my husband, my whole family are in australia and my husbands family - dont get me started. he doesnt even talk to them.
I tried the mothers milk tea but not much of a difference. I did make some lactation cookies and those were really amazing and worked wonders i saw great increases but totally not primal lol! Maybe ill try the fenugreek again, she was about 7 weeks old when I tried it and she did a nursing strike because she could taste and smell the maple syrup smell from it. I have a big ol' container of it still. I hope it she wont do it again.
The eats of feet looks great, but id rather not take breastmilk that other mothers might need much more, like mums with babies that are sick and really need it.
Ah the trials and tribulations of motherhood.
Last edited by earthspirit; 06-24-2011 at 04:53 PM.
have you gotten her cranial sacral therapy and/or gotten her tongue clipped?
and ignore the messy house, it's not going to be that way forever.
also are you actively trying to lose weight? you need a caloric surplus right now.
Mama, just wanted to send out some (((HUGS))) and high-fives! for doing whatever you need to do to get your babe that good milk! It took my son and I three months to get him exclusively bfing (instead of using supplemental donor milk and formula--I had severe milk supply issues). I KNOW how hard this can be mentally and emotionally. I did a combo of herbs, supplements (alfalfa is one I don't think I've seen on the above lists...) along w/ a drug called domperidome to increase supply. I found the yahoo group pumpmoms very very helpful in gaining knowledge on all this stuff. Sounds like you are in a great place and have found what works for you--I'd just keep it up and think about dumping the oats once babe is starting other solids, or when you feel really comfortable with your supply.
Good for you for working so hard for this!! It will be worth it!!! (My son nursed until he turned 4--those first very tough 3 months seem like a distant memory now... )